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The most despicable family in the USA (world?)
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illykitty
RF's pet cat
I don't hate them but seems greedy to me to hoard their money and not do something good with it. Imagine someone super rich not paying zakat. How would you feel about it?
I thought capitalism was supposed to make the money trickle down. Seems not.
Also, when you think about how most billionaires got to the top, makes you raise questions about human ethics. Screw the environment, let's take advantage of the poor and take all resources until its depleted.
There's always something or someone that suffers when this much power and money goes into the hands of a few.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Not paying zakat is between them and Allah. Ideally, one wouldn't know if they paid zakat or not.
And what they do with their money is up to them. Hoard it, blow it away, whatever. It is theirs.
How would you feel if I judged you because you had two couches that no one sits on?
True. But they just took what the system was and used it to their advantage. Not exactly their fault.
Hm, do you have any evidences for your accusations against the Waltons?
Jiggerj
Member
Yeah, they are not the problem. The problem is there was never a cap placed on earnings. An economy is supposed to be about the circulation of currency so that everyone can buy what they need, ensuring that no one goes without.
No one should be able to earn or hold more than a million a year. If a person makes more than that it should be dispersed throughout the economic system. Hoarding money should be against the law. Just my opinion.
Yes, palletized materials are very easy to load. The forklift just drives right on the
trailer, drops the load, & backs out. I flip a switch & it rises to transport height. Easy as pie!
Piano repair is not for me though.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Actually, their wealth is inherited. Their father their empire.
Is it a fact that they give none to charity?
Do they have no children for whom their billions won't be that much after the worst inflation (like Brazil)?
Maybe they want to be able to buy a place on the ark (I saw the movie). Maybe they want to buy a place to space. Maybe they want to bring all their friends. Maybe they want to bring all their pets and all their friends pets. They will need it, won't they?
Do they have no children for whom their billions won't be that much after the worst inflation (like Brazil)?
Maybe they want to be able to buy a place on the ark (I saw the movie). Maybe they want to buy a place to space. Maybe they want to bring all their friends. Maybe they want to bring all their pets and all their friends pets. They will need it, won't they?
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
You're acting like hoarding wealth is harmless. Your analogy doesn't fit with reality.
A better analogy would be if someone owning two couches meant that 40% of the rest of country couldn't own a couch. Also, not owning a couch means your children go hungry and can't afford education. So yes, we should judge people for owning two couches.
In case they do like Jesus said they are giving but keeping it a secret (don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing)
About not paying what some people consider their fair share of taxes maybe they hate to see their money wasted. I don't blame them.
About not paying what some people consider their fair share of taxes maybe they hate to see their money wasted. I don't blame them.
I wouldn't hate them, and i don't know for sure what they do with their money. But it does seem most likely that they can help out much, much, much more than they are.
Help others, that is, and still be rich, very rich. They would still be able to afford to make sure their kids are rich too, and even their grand kids. I don't see anything wrong with trying to make sure that your kids and their kids after them can afford a good life, as indeed people's chances in life are intensely affected by the conditions they're born in. But i'd imagine that a couple of billions of dollars alone would more than do the trick.
I like to think that if i were in their position, with such money and power, i'd be able to and as such would help in significantly reducing many problems with many people's lives, if not outright eradicate a few from their very root.
Sure, it's easy to say that when i'm not in that position, but i really can't think of any valid excuse for me to have such amount of money and power and still not help out as i so comfortably can.
Help others, that is, and still be rich, very rich. They would still be able to afford to make sure their kids are rich too, and even their grand kids. I don't see anything wrong with trying to make sure that your kids and their kids after them can afford a good life, as indeed people's chances in life are intensely affected by the conditions they're born in. But i'd imagine that a couple of billions of dollars alone would more than do the trick.
I like to think that if i were in their position, with such money and power, i'd be able to and as such would help in significantly reducing many problems with many people's lives, if not outright eradicate a few from their very root.
Sure, it's easy to say that when i'm not in that position, but i really can't think of any valid excuse for me to have such amount of money and power and still not help out as i so comfortably can.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Fine, do so but if I had a steady income, I would give some away. I'm not even talking about billions. The top richest people could end starvation in the world, how is that less important than having 10 houses and billions in the bank account. Am I the only person who sees a very wrong set of values and priorities?
So they're just playing the game? Don't you think that part of the problem is participation in the game keeps it going? By your logic it would be perfectly fine to destroy nature, take advantage of others and take all ressources for money cause its part of the game. That is messed up.
I wasn't talking about them specifically but about a lot of top richest companies or people. Think about giant petrol companies, how much they destroy the environment and get away with it.
They find a way to make money, no matter the cost. No wonder some are sociopaths!
Anyway, Walmart has a track record of being criticised for being unethical. Just google it.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
I don't necessarily loathe people for being obscenely wealthy, but rather how they got such wealth and what they end up doing with it: i.e lobbying governments etc.
To be fair though, sometimes I actually have sympathy for the uber-rich, because they will lose everything at the "end of the game". They have manged to escape poverty and mediocrity, and skyrocketed their own sense of expectations from life, but in the end no matter how hard they try (or how much money they attempt to use) they will never escape death.
The game will be just too fun and lucrative for them, when it's time for the inevitable switch-off, they'll be the ones kicking, screaming and rebelling the most - against the inevitable grip of the Grim Reaper.
To be fair though, sometimes I actually have sympathy for the uber-rich, because they will lose everything at the "end of the game". They have manged to escape poverty and mediocrity, and skyrocketed their own sense of expectations from life, but in the end no matter how hard they try (or how much money they attempt to use) they will never escape death.
The game will be just too fun and lucrative for them, when it's time for the inevitable switch-off, they'll be the ones kicking, screaming and rebelling the most - against the inevitable grip of the Grim Reaper.
Just out of curiosity, has anyone in this thread said they hate all wealthy people? Or, are you just supposing that must be everyone's true motive for opposing a vastly unequal distribution of wealth? I'm not going to debate it with you. I'm just curious where you come up with the notion that most or all people who oppose vastly unequal distributions of wealth do so because they hate rich people?
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
It was mostly what I got Illykitty was implying as well as the OP
Thanks for the clarification.
Some of my tax dollars go to keeping their employees at a livable wage, since Walmart is aggressively anti-union and pays poorly in order to try to maximize profit. They can pay their employees less and let taxpayers pick up the tab, so against my will, I have to subsidize the income of the Waltons.
Costco pays their employees better, and takes a lower profit margin in the process. I don't have much respect for the Waltons; they could run things much better if they cared.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Probably the only thing I don't support would be the use of ones own wealth to curry favor politically.
Seem applicable in light of statistics..
Government Helps Rich Much More Than Everyone Else, Americans Say
Seem applicable in light of statistics..
Government Helps Rich Much More Than Everyone Else, Americans Say
Actually Walmart pays above minimum wage and is about average for retail employees. Why single them out?
And the pay for average retail employees is bad. Costco's is higher though.
1) Their tendency to be anti-union.
2) They're the largest. In many states, employees of Wal-mart represent the largest group on food stamps and Medicaid.
3) The Waltons are multi-billionaires with significant control of the company, so the policies are in their hands.
and most importantly...
4) The thread is about the Waltons.