• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The "My Religion Is Better Than Yours" Mentality.

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I used to think that it was mostly people of my own faith- followers of Jesus- of various sects- had the mentality that "Jesus is the only way" and things of that nature. But lately, I've noticed that other faiths do that as well. They believe that their religion is best and have nothing but criticism for other faiths (No, not everyone of a faith, but a few of them).

I don't like this mentality at all, even in my own religion and faith. It is pretty sad to find out that a few people of other faiths have it as well.

If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?

This may make a pretty good discussion if we don't start arguing. :)
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
If we are not meant to argue, but only "discuss", would this be better fit for religious "discussions" instead of "debates"? <_< >_>

Just asking :eek:
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
If we are not meant to argue, but only "discuss", would this be better fit for religious "discussions" instead of "debates"? <_< >_>

Just asking :eek:

I want it to be a debate, but a civilized debate.:) That's like asking for no meat when you order a hamburger. I just want to stay away from name calling and getting vicious- which a lot of threads seem to start doing lately.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Ah well, here are my two cents(at least for now :D ) :

Different faiths and paths are better for different people. I don't believe there is a path that we can all walk and reach our destination, we WILL all walk through different paths and eventually reach.

That said, I believe there are some paths that tend to have more obstacles. Again, the individual walker may change this, but it is a general observation.

I believe that as long as you have clear your purpose and if this purpose is: try to be happy and help others with the same" things well get easier. Still, obstacles will arise, and nobody's map is perfect.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I think the 'my faith is better than your faith' really speaks to the ego and I personally think that it is a great insight into the motivations of a lot of people to belonging to one group or another. Deep down it seems that seeking God and/or truth is rarely the actual motivation.

On a more superficial level, it does of course feed the mentality when the religious scriptures actually state that following a particular path is the only way and even more so when that scripture says that anybody who does not follow it is condemned.

My observation is that the very saintly persons who are known for having utter devotion and love for God generally tend to be inclusive of everyone and do not focus on hell and damnation despite the religion they represent.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
It is natural to hold opinions that you think are better than opposite opinions. That does not necessarily mean that you think you are a better person than the person you disagree with. The OP seems to start out on the topic of opinions, but it ended up with "I'm better than you because my opinion is better."
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I agree that it is quite annoying and misplaced, but I must ask why you would follow a religion if you do not think it is right?
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
I want it to be a debate, but a civilized debate.:) That's like asking for no meat when you order a hamburger. I just want to stay away from name calling and getting vicious- which a lot of threads seem to start doing lately.

Yup. There seems to be a flame war flaring up.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I used to think that it was mostly people of my own faith- followers of Jesus- of various sects- had the mentality that "Jesus is the only way" and things of that nature. But lately, I've noticed that other faiths do that as well. They believe that their religion is best and have nothing but criticism for other faiths (No, not everyone of a faith, but a few of them).

I don't like this mentality at all, even in my own religion and faith. It is pretty sad to find out that a few people of other faiths have it as well.

If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?

This may make a pretty good discussion if we don't start arguing. :)
It seems to me to mostly come down to one of two things.

-Some things are correct, and some things are incorrect. There are shades of correctness, but some things are simply more accurate than others.
-Tribalism. Egos.

If a religion preaches, as the absolute most fundamental concept of the religion, that there is a personal god, then philosophies that do not include gods at all are at odds with that religion. In this situation, some people are simply more correct than others. If a person worships the goddess Athena as a literal goddess and considers it important for all people to worship Athena and be celibate for Athena and puts laws in place because Athena wants them, then if it turns out Athena doesn't exist and never existed, then this person ends up looking almost objectively foolish.

If a religion preaches that X has to be believed to go to heaven or avoid torture or death, and most of the world doesn't believe X, then there are going to be issues.

The wording of calling people who don't accept certain fundamental truths "fools" and so forth are embedded right into the text of many scriptures. It comes straight from the so-called inspiration of God in many cases.

I believe that some propositions about reality are less evidenced, less consistent, less altruistic, and ultimately less accurate than other propositions about reality. If two people argue about what is inside a box, then either they're both equally wrong, or both managed to be equally partially correct, or one of them is more correct than the other.

-Some religions propose that X must be believed as a fundamental tenant. To not view other religions as inferior requires changing this belief.
-Some religions propose that X is true, but that other religions are incomplete and preach only part of X, or a misguided version of X, and they will ultimately find the truth of X in one lifetime or another. It's not necessarily incorrect to believe that a person's position is more evidenced than another. But it is funny to see two cultures with unfounded claims arguing about who's right.
-Some people assert truths and believe claims at face value, while others ask for peer-reviewed evidence before accepting things as truth.
-If a person wants to outlaw something, such as homosexuality or blasphemy or whatever, then the basis for their outlawing it better be accurate or they're making fools of themselves and harming other people.

In other words, some religions are better than others, and some philosophies are better than others, if a person considers truth and rational methodology to be important things.
 

A-ManESL

Well-Known Member
My observation is that the very saintly persons who are known for having utter devotion and love for God generally tend to be inclusive of everyone and do not focus on hell and damnation despite the religion they represent.

Reminds me of a small story involving Mawlana Rumi:
Rumi’s love and honor for all religious traditions was not always popular in his day, and often provoked criticism from the more dogmatic. A story is told that one such public challenge came from a Muslim dignitary, Qonavi, who confronted Rumi before an audience. “You claim to be at one with 72 religious sects,” said Qonavi, “but the Jews cannot agree with the Christians, and the Christians cannot agree with Muslims. If they cannot agree with each other, how could you agree with them all?” To this Rumi answered, “Yes, you are right, I agree with you too.”
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Reminds me of a small story involving Mawlana Rumi:
Rumi’s love and honor for all religious traditions was not always popular in his day, and often provoked criticism from the more dogmatic. A story is told that one such public challenge came from a Muslim dignitary, Qonavi, who confronted Rumi before an audience. “You claim to be at one with 72 religious sects,” said Qonavi, “but the Jews cannot agree with the Christians, and the Christians cannot agree with Muslims. If they cannot agree with each other, how could you agree with them all?” To this Rumi answered, “Yes, you are right, I agree with you too.”

My ex father in law used to quote that all the time.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I used to think that it was mostly people of my own faith- followers of Jesus- of various sects- had the mentality that "Jesus is the only way" and things of that nature. But lately, I've noticed that other faiths do that as well. They believe that their religion is best and have nothing but criticism for other faiths (No, not everyone of a faith, but a few of them).

I don't like this mentality at all, even in my own religion and faith. It is pretty sad to find out that a few people of other faiths have it as well.

If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?

This may make a pretty good discussion if we don't start arguing. :)

I've said pretty much from the beginning, "to each his or her own."

I don't identify as a Christian, but I would invite Jesus in for coffee or tea anytime.

I look at it like our marriage, our parenting style, and our career choices. We have an open marriage, I practiced attachment parenting and let the kids wean from nursing at 3-4 years old, and I'm a career performance artist who now is CEO of her own company.

It just isn't for everybody. We're happy, I'm happy, and I'm happy to explain our perspectives. If people don't want to homeschool their kids like us or spank their kids like we don't, that's fine.

I tend to give very vague advice to new parents, who are barraged by all kinds of conflicting parenting guidelines:

1) Feed the baby
2) Change the baby's diaper
3) Don't drop kick the baby
4) Don't let the baby drive the car or balance the checkbook

Stuff like that. Everything else is just commentary. Same with religion. If it worked for me, it worked for me. Find what works for you. I only speak up if you think what "works" is portraying me as a second class citizen. Period.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I agree that it is quite annoying and misplaced, but I must ask why you would follow a religion if you do not think it is right?

I follow my faith because I do think it's right, but at the same time, I am not willing to condemn or judge someone else's faith. We can't know what God thinks. I also believe God is much more complex than we can imagine. And finally there is the question "Why would God only choose a tiny percentage of people to know Him?" (This question is for the past, before Radio, TV, and the Internet).
I think we just have to think things through.
 

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
No religion is better than another. People mostly belong to the religion that satisfies their needs. People with a need for a strong protector, who can console them and promise them eternal life will "choose" one religion. People with need for a closer connection to Nature will "choose" another. People with the need to feel empowered will "choose" a third. Religion fills a purpose in bringing meaning to people's lives and thus no religion is better than another, because they all kinda fill the same purpose, just for different people.

People acting like their religion is the one objective truth and all other religions are false and/or evil are quite annoying and lack both respect and humbleness.


Religions can be more or less scientifically correct, though. :p
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems to me there is no ideal faith, just as there is no one shoe size that fits everyone.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
I used to think that it was mostly people of my own faith- followers of Jesus- of various sects- had the mentality that "Jesus is the only way" and things of that nature. But lately, I've noticed that other faiths do that as well. They believe that their religion is best and have nothing but criticism for other faiths (No, not everyone of a faith, but a few of them).

I don't like this mentality at all, even in my own religion and faith. It is pretty sad to find out that a few people of other faiths have it as well.

If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?

This may make a pretty good discussion if we don't start arguing. :)

Do I think my lack of faith is better, or superior, to those with faith?

No, not all.

There are some people out there who adhere to beliefs that lead to actions I find horrific. I damn well believe that my lack of their faith makes me a better person than them. To state otherwise would render those beliefs I do hold irrelevant.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
I used to think that it was mostly people of my own faith- followers of Jesus- of various sects- had the mentality that "Jesus is the only way" and things of that nature. But lately, I've noticed that other faiths do that as well. They believe that their religion is best and have nothing but criticism for other faiths (No, not everyone of a faith, but a few of them).

I don't like this mentality at all, even in my own religion and faith. It is pretty sad to find out that a few people of other faiths have it as well.

If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?

This may make a pretty good discussion if we don't start arguing. :)
I am an atheist and I do not believe my lack of faith is better then faith. To me, there is no reason to believe God exists. To me, no religion makes sense. To me, there is no appeal in religion or faith. But I do realize that they are all in relation to me and I do understand that what makes sense to me may not make sense to everyone else. I also realize there is a chance that I am wrong. Wouldnt be the first time, I am not infallible after all :p.

I do also believe that all religions have good and bad parts. Nothing is perfect and nothing is complete trash either. In my opinion, at least.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm going to touch on some things that I don't believe have been mentioned thus far...

Assessments of "better" and "worse" should always be made relative to a particular idea or objective. When it comes down to these kinds of specifics, it can be said that certain ideas are better than other ideas at accomplishing those objectives.

Neopaganism is clearly better than Christianity at encouraging respect for the natural world given we see the divine as immanent within the world instead of separate from it. Christianity is clearly better than Neopaganism at providing supportive religious communities as it has had hundreds of years to develop such infrastructures. Sure, "all faiths are good in their own way" but when it comes down to talking about specifics, they are simply not equivalents. If you value A and religion Y is better at encouraging or supporting A than religion Z, religion Y is better than religion Z.

Everyone who holds to a particular belief or ideology thinks that ideology is better than some other ideology for some valued objective.

Let's be honest with ourselves, guys: if we don't think something about our path is better than some other path, we wouldn't be walking the path we're walking. Instead, we'd be seeking something... you guessed it... BETTER. Keep in mind "better" is being understood with context. It is "better" because it is subjectively assessed to be better suited for a particular goal or objective that you (or perhaps your culture) think is important. Concluding something is "better" does NOT necessarily entail adopting a snooty look-down-your-nose attitude towards those who have different ideas.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
If you are of a faith do you really believe yours is better? Do you believe that all or nearly all faiths are good in their own way?
If I believed all faiths are equally good in their own way, I would follow all faiths. If I believed a faith was better than my own, I would follow it.
If you have no faith, do you believe that your lack of faith makes you better than those who don't follow it? Or do you believe "To each his own"?
If I believed having faith was better than not having faith, I would be better (off) with faith than without.
If you are a theist, do you believe you are better than a non-theist?
If belief in a deity is better than lack of belief, then I would be better (off) than a non-theist.
 
Top