The mystery of the Bible

[WonderingWorrier]

You simply keep repeating the same nonsense and acting as if you'd said something comprehensible and worthy of consideration. Try telling me what you're trying to say in a DIFFRENT way. IF you truly understand it and it genuinely makes sense then you SHOULD be able to express it from a totally different perspective.

Ok. I will try to simplify.

The words are in different levels of height.
Like the valley is lower than the hill, as the sea is lower than the river.

Level1 - Level2 - Level3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream

Notice the sound of the mountain stream.

People cant hear the words corn, oil, and wine:
And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. Hosea

Level1 - Level2 - Level3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine.


The River of Oil:
Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God. Ezekiel

The Mountain of Wine:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. Amos

The Valley of Corn:
The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing.



Notice the valleys, hills, and mountains singing.

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Isaiah.

Notice the trees clapping their hands.


And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. Ezekiel.


Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? Isaiah


Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow

Can you comprehend that the words could possibly be in different levels/groups?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Try telling me what you're trying to say in a DIFFRENT way. IF you truly understand it and it genuinely makes sense then you SHOULD be able to express it from a totally different perspective.

I could take the three group perspective and slot it into a twelve point perspective if you like.
Both ways will still be correct.

The wolf will still be with the lamb.

Look:

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Lion - Leopard - Wolf

The words go into the city gates. There are twelve gates.

The wolf:
Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

The lamb:
Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth. Psalm

Into the gate of the East:
And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.


The wolf is with the lamb as Benjamin is with Joseph.

Do you understand?

 

[blü 2]

I haven't read those but my Bible is the Urantia Book which has an explanation that makes more sense to me in light of the fragments of Genesis that briefly mention Adam and Eve, Eve somehow coming out of Adams rib, a crafty beast, a sin that brought biological consequences to the human race etc.

These links are from the Urantia Book which is free online and has no copyright.

1. Adam and Eve on Jerusem
2. Arrival of Adam and Eve
3. Adam and Eve Learn about the Planet
4. The First Upheaval
5. Adam's Administration
6. Home Life of Adam and Eve
7. Life in the Garden
8. The Legend of Creation

1. The Urantia Problem
2. Caligastia's Plot
3. The Temptation of Eve
4. The Realization of Default
5. Repercussions of Default
6. Adam and Eve Leave the Garden
7. Degradation of Adam and Eve
8. The So-Called Fall of Man

IMOP

Thanks for the offer.

I think I'll stay with the science.

 

[rational experiences]

Ask an intelligent man human.

We're you natural first?

His conscious answer yes.

Where's science?

He hadn't theoried it yet.

Mystery. Science isn't real. It's a human choice to take earths natural first forms in mass convert them.

The real unexplained mystery is what happened to your natural mind after. As since it's never told any truth... Humans mystery. Thought upon by men. Told thoughts about it by men.

All your owned causes human man.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Ok. I will try to simplify.

The words are in different levels of height.
Like the valley is lower than the hill, as the sea is lower than the river.

Level1 - Level2 - Level3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream

Notice the sound of the mountain stream.

People cant hear the words corn, oil, and wine:
And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. Hosea

Level1 - Level2 - Level3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine.


The River of Oil:
Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God. Ezekiel

The Mountain of Wine:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. Amos

The Valley of Corn:
The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing.



Notice the valleys, hills, and mountains singing.

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Isaiah.

Notice the trees clapping their hands.


And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. Ezekiel.


Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? Isaiah


Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow

Can you comprehend that the words could possibly be in different levels/groups?

Yes, I comprehend that words can be categorized in a wide variety of different ways. You chose to categorize them in one way... I could choose to categorize them in an entirely different way. So what? What significance do you imagine there is in categorizing these words in this manner? Why did you decide to categorize the words in this particular passage, which is just a bunch of flowery words making meaningless claims or simply flat out falsehoods?

People cant hear the words corn, oil, and wine:

Of course they can.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I could take the three group perspective and slot it into a twelve point perspective if you like.
Both ways will still be correct.

The wolf will still be with the lamb.

Look:

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Lion - Leopard - Wolf

The words go into the city gates. There are twelve gates.

The wolf:
Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

The lamb:
Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth. Psalm

Into the gate of the East:
And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.


The wolf is with the lamb as Benjamin is with Joseph.

Do you understand?

Nope... because you made absolutely no attempt to clarify what you think the significance of categorizing these words in this fashion is. Why should anyone care? What point are you attempting to make?

 

[Colt]

Thanks for the offer.

I think I'll stay with the science.

Thanks for the offer.

I think I'll stay with the science.

I'm grateful to have both my eyes today.

"A one-eyed person can never hope to visualize depth of perspective. Neither can single-eyed material scientists nor single-eyed spiritual mystics and allegorists correctly visualize and adequately comprehend the true depths of universe reality. All true values of creature experience are concealed in depth of recognition." UB 1955

 

[blü 2]

I'm grateful to have both my eyes today.

"A one-eyed person can never hope to visualize depth of perspective. Neither can single-eyed material scientists nor single-eyed spiritual mystics and allegorists correctly visualize and adequately comprehend the true depths of universe reality. All true values of creature experience are concealed in depth of recognition." UB 1955

I don't think that's correct.

But if it suits you, who am I to argue?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Yes, I comprehend that words can be categorized in a wide variety of different ways. You chose to categorize them in one way... I could choose to categorize them in an entirely different way. So what? What significance do you imagine there is in categorizing these words in this manner? Why did you decide to categorize the words in this particular passage, which is just a bunch of flowery words making meaningless claims or simply flat out falsehoods?

People cant hear the words corn, oil, and wine:

Of course they can.

They cant.
Because the bible contains a speech which is a language of symbols.
Their speech is weaving symbols into a pattern.

Corn is a symbol, Oil is a symbol, and Wine is a symbol.

I showed the words to you according to height with supporting verses. The valley of Corn, the river of Oil, and the mountain of Wine.

I was trying to show you the three specific words are at three different specific levels of height.

I categorise the words according to the pattern. The words can be heard as the pattern is known. The pattern is the sense of the nonsense. So I show the grouping to try to help communicate what i'm trying to show.

This might help. There are actually four groups.

South - North - West - East
Iron - Brass - Silver - Gold

That is why I'm able to slot the three group perspective into a twelve point perspective as there are three points to each of the four directions (if I include Earth as a direction which is lower than the heavens, I can explain if you like).

The words corn, oil, and wine are in three directions.

North - West - East
Corn - Oil - Wine

Which can be verified.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Nope... because you made absolutely no attempt to clarify what you think the significance of categorizing these words in this fashion is. Why should anyone care? What point are you attempting to make?

Is Isaiah speaking the truth when it is heard as symbols and a pattern is known?

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isaiah.

I have showed it as correct in two different ways.

The wolf is with the lamb.

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Lion - Leopard - Wolf

And in a twelve point perspective I showed you Wolf and Sheep together as two tribes of the East. Benjamin as wolf and Joseph as sheep.

So I think Isaiah was speaking truth. But not speaking a prophecy of a future event when animals will be at peace with each other, and will be done by magic because God can do anything.

Isaiah is also a speaker of symbols.
He speaks the same pattern.

 

[QuestioningMind]

They cant.
Because the bible contains a speech which is a language of symbols.
Their speech is weaving symbols into a pattern.

Corn is a symbol, Oil is a symbol, and Wine is a symbol.

I showed the words to you according to height with supporting verses. The valley of Corn, the river of Oil, and the mountain of Wine.

I was trying to show you the three specific words are at three different specific levels of height.

I categorise the words according to the pattern. The words can be heard as the pattern is known. The pattern is the sense of the nonsense. So I show the grouping to try to help communicate what i'm trying to show.

This might help. There are actually four groups.

South - North - West - East
Iron - Brass - Silver - Gold

That is why I'm able to slot the three group perspective into a twelve point perspective as there are three points to each of the four directions (if I include Earth as a direction which is lower than the heavens, I can explain if you like).

The words corn, oil, and wine are in three directions.

North - West - East
Corn - Oil - Wine

Which can be verified.

They cant.
I certainly can... and most people I know certainly can.

Because the bible contains a speech which is a language of symbols.
ALL written language is symbols... so what?

Their speech is weaving symbols into a pattern.
ALL speech weaves symbols into patterns... the problem is that the patterns YOU are weaving are useless and meaningless. WHO CARES if you categorize the words in the manner that you do? You act as if categorizing them this way reveals some deep and important meanings, when it does not.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

They cant.
I certainly can... and most people I know certainly can.

Because the bible contains a speech which is a language of symbols.
ALL written language is symbols... so what?

Their speech is weaving symbols into a pattern.
ALL speech weaves symbols into patterns... the problem is that the patterns YOU are weaving are useless and meaningless. WHO CARES if you categorize the words in the manner that you do? You act as if categorizing them this way reveals some deep and important meanings, when it does not.

Are you sure most people can hear the words?

Jesus did say "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word". John


Please consider this as a way of showing why I categorise the words as I do.
You might be able to understand it this way.

Corn - Oil - Wine

Corn is an old English word meaning grain, as in Grain used for making Bread.
And the Oil is of the Olive tree, and the Wine is of the Grape.

Now please consider the bread and the wine.
Could the word bread take the place of corn in the top row as being the made item along with oil and wine?

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Corn - Oil - Wine
Bread - Olive - Grape

So it becomes:

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Bread - Oil - Wine
Corn - Olive - Grape

So the prepared items are above and what they are made from is below.
The words are still in their proper group.


Now I will add another layer of words to the groups:

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Bread - Oil - Wine
Flesh - Bone - Blood

Listen:

Can you hear the words of Jesus - the bread is my flesh, and the wine is my blood?


Bread and Flesh is "Group1" , Wine and Blood is "Group3".
Hence bread is flesh, wine is blood, while talking about the groups.

Just as Oil and Bones is "Group2".

"As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones". Psalm



I notice Jesus knows the symbols and the pattern of the prophets.

Do you understand?

 

[Truth in love]

Introductory example:
In the book of genesis God told Adam and Eve, if you eat the apple you will certainly die.
The serpent told them they won't die but their eyes will open instead.

This tells us the serpent was telling the truth since they didn't die, but I wouldn't call God a liar either
but instead there is a hidden meaning of "death", that is one has to grasp what did God mean.

In this specific case "death" is actually spiritual death:

Spiritual death in Christianity - Wikipedia

Interpretation:
P1 - The bible (a word of God) is a locked book that needs to be unlocked to know the truth, only a correct interpretation can lead to truth
P2 - The work of the devil (the serpent) is to unravel to people what was concealed by God, and this leads to spiritual death.

Additional insight gives Proverbs 25:2:

Proverbs 25:2 NABRE - It is the glory of God to conceal a - Bible Gateway

If you click on the link above you'll see a footnote which tells that "kings" are not people in this context but literary kings.
Who are kings but those who rule over ordinary people (or group of people) in one way or another?
Ordinary people like us are obviously not kings.

Thus:
P3 - Ordinary people don't know the truth

Conclusion:
Following 3 propositions are to be taken in respect to each other:

P3 - The bible tells the truth, there is no lie in the bible
P4 - The literal meaning of the bible is not truth
P5 - Knowing the truth will cause you spiritual death

Conclusion1 - Truth is esoteric (proper to kings - royal knowledge)
Conclusion2 - Seeking to know the truth is evil

What is truth?

Debate as you please.

A few options

1. They did die within a day for God (1000 years).
2. They suffered a spiritual death being evicted from the Garden.
3. Satan will at times tell the truth or some of it to his benefit.
4. While some parts of the Bible are a bit hard to sort out most of it is pretty straight forward. .