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The Mystical Journey

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
is the mystical journey, or communion with the divine, an inward movement?

to look at one's own conscience and deal with the inner whisperings and mumblings; especially those of the extreme polarization?

did jesus allude to this with the idea of "Behold I AM with you always"? that there is something about self that can be discovered by looking within the cloud like thoughts?

or with the idea that the Kingdom of God is within you luke 17:21?


if we are made in the image, shouldn't we reflect in that image?



 
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dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
is the mystical journey, or communion with the divine, an inward movement?

mystical means mysterious. a mystery is a unique sort of creation. it belongs in a special category: non-existing things. in the mind a mystery is an unanswered question. it's not accurate to call it inward, because the unanswered question produces curiosity which is expanding far beyond what is happening inside the individual mind.

to look at one's own conscience and deal with the inner whisperings and mumblings; especially those of the extreme polarization?

If you can, pay attention to those whispers, then pay attention to what is produced in the mind. If the consciousness is expanding there is an opportunity for a mystical journey. If the consciousness is contracting, then, it's not. For those who desire a mystical journey, it's possible to cultivate the consciousness and encourage it to be expansive. The technique for this, which you'll find among the Jewish prophets, is contemplating the unanswerable question. You'll also find it in Zen Buddhism. Also... surprisingly, stand-up comedy.

did jesus allude to this with the idea of "Behold I AM with you always"? that there is something about self that can be discovered by looking within the cloud like thoughts?

I'd need to read the full passage to answer.

or with the idea that the Kingdom of God is within you luke 17:21?

"The kingdom of God within you", is an unanswered question, yes, for many. So yes, it is an opportunity to go on a mystical journey.

if we are made in the image, shouldn't we reflect in that image?

That's an often misquoted and almost universally misunderstood verse in scripture.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
mystical means mysterious. a mystery is a unique sort of creation. it belongs in a special category: non-existing things. in the mind a mystery is an unanswered question. it's not accurate to call it inward, because the unanswered question produces curiosity which is expanding far beyond what is happening inside the individual mind.



If you can, pay attention to those whispers, then pay attention to what is produced in the mind. If the consciousness is expanding there is an opportunity for a mystical journey. If the consciousness is contracting, then, it's not. For those who desire a mystical journey, it's possible to cultivate the consciousness and encourage it to be expansive. The technique for this, which you'll find among the Jewish prophets, is contemplating the unanswerable question. You'll also find it in Zen Buddhism. Also... surprisingly, stand-up comedy.



I'd need to read the full passage to answer.



"The kingdom of God within you", is an unanswered question, yes, for many. So yes, it is an opportunity to go on a mystical journey.



That's an often misquoted and almost universally misunderstood verse in scripture.
but to a dualist isn't it outward?

also, mystery means literally a secrecy...............






It's no secret that a conscience can sometimes be a pest
It's no secret ambition bites the nails of success
Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief
All kill their inspiration and sing about the grief
Love, we shine like a burning star
We're falling from the sky
A man will rise
A man will fall
From the sheer face of love
Like a fly from a wall
It's no secret at all
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
but to a dualist isn't it outward?

1) without duality there is no journeying.

2) "outward" is true, but incomplete. Reality is not a flat 2-d map. It's spherical. Try to imagine your mind, as a point in the center of all of reality. Where is outward from this vantage? It is surrounding you. Layer after layer after layer of concentric spheres. Outward is not ONLY ascension like a bird soaring. That is incomplete. Outward, is expanding. It's like your mind is a spring, gushing. Feminine waters? Heard of it? The secret of feminine waters? It's not supposed to be sexual, but many make the mistake of assuming that it is.

also, mystery means literally a secrecy...............

I disagree. Besides. The era of secrets has ended. No more secrets.


 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Meher Baba defined the journey:

One thus has God, as infinite Love, first limiting Himself in the forms of creation and then recovering his infinity through the different stages of creation. All the stages of God's experience of being a finite lover ultimately culminate in His experiencing Himself as the sole Beloved.

The sojourn of the soul is a thrilling divine romance in which the lover — who in the beginning is conscious of nothing but emptiness, frustration, superficiality, and the gnawing chains of bondage — gradually attains an increasingly fuller and freer expression of love. And ultimately the lover disappears and merges in the divine Beloved to realize the unity of the lover and the Beloved in the supreme and eternal fact of God as infinite Love.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
1) without duality there is no journeying.

seeking is not exactly journeying. they aren't synonyms. and the question posed was about a one directional infinity. infinity doesn't have a beginning or end, thus there is not starting point or ending point.

not everyone who is traveling is lost, or searching for something lost.
2) "outward" is true, but incomplete. Reality is not a flat 2-d map. It's spherical. Try to imagine your mind, as a point in the center of all of reality. Where is outward from this vantage? It is surrounding you. Layer after layer after layer of concentric spheres. Outward is not ONLY ascension like a bird soaring. That is incomplete. Outward, is expanding. It's like your mind is a spring, gushing. Feminine waters? Heard of it? The secret of feminine waters? It's not supposed to be sexual, but many make the mistake of assuming that it is.
the implication is that god is limited towards otherness. god is no where because there is no contrast except in the allusion and illusion of otherness.

what ever you have done unto the least of these, or the greatest, you have done unto me.
I disagree. Besides. The era of secrets has ended. No more secrets.



to those who don't understand, the parables, it's a secret, a mystery

matthew 13:13

sometimes people don't value what they didn't have to toil, struggle, work for. familiarity tends to breed contempt.

and sometimes the obvious isn't obvious, especially when the observer sees, witnesses everything except self.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
is the mystical journey, or communion with the divine, an inward movement?

to look at one's own conscience and deal with the inner whisperings and mumblings; especially those of the extreme polarization?

did jesus allude to this with the idea of "Behold I AM with you always"? that there is something about self that can be discovered by looking within the cloud like thoughts?

or with the idea that the Kingdom of God is within you luke 17:21?


if we are made in the image, shouldn't we reflect in that image?



The mystical journey is both inward and outward. It is the recognition of the paradox of the self as separate and the inclusion within the world that is not separate. When I met the goddess my soul went beyond my body into the spirit of the goddess so both inward and outward at the same time.
As for the image all life is the image of the goddess in and infinite way of presentation and possibilities so rather than an image it is creative expression of many images.

What the mystic experience does, is to change your reality and see the world in a different way of perceiving reality. To explain it is like trying to explain the Tao, all words are inadequate but the experience is such a profound change that the individual is changed forever. They look the same as before but have a different relationship with the world.

It is not just ones own conscience involved and the whisperings come the outside and enter you. It is not just the individual but a new relationship between the individual and greater world.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
mystery means literally a secrecy
Mystery refers to those things that are so difficulty to understand that which usually remain unknown, a hidden meaning not obvious when casually seen. Therefor mystery has secrecy as an aspect that its meaning is not easily evident but this is just an aspect of mystery.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
seeking is not exactly journeying.

Without duality there is no seeking either. What are you seeking? Even if you are seeking yourself, you would not need to seek unless there is a veil of concealment. That veiling? Which is the reason for seeking? That's duality.

If you cannot accept this simple fact. I'm sorry. You're stuck. But the material world is beautiful place. You can have a lot of freedom here. And I'll love you just the same regardless of whether you are open to the inherent duality of reality. I'll love you just the same. I promise.

not everyone who is traveling is lost, or searching for something lost.

You just contradicted yourself. You started out talking about seeking, now you've denied searching. Bro. This is what happens every time you argue with me about duality. You always end up contradicting yourself. Tied up in knots. ~sigh~ You want freedom, but you end up in oblivion.

the implication is that god is limited towards otherness.

No

what ever you have done unto the least of these, or the greatest, you have done unto me.

Ah. You made a blunder. Who is speaking? Are they the absolute? This verse is irrelevant.

to those who don't understand, the parables, it's a secret, a mystery

It's a mystery for those who don't know the answer. It's not a secret. Christians wouldn't ask Jews what it means. They had forgotten that Jesus is Jewish. They were poisoned by the demonization in the Book of John. They were angry with us. They hated us. They blamed us. It's all perfectly natural and normal. But natural and normal is not always good. Regardless, those days are over.

The Gnostic gets a sort of sexual thrill from being the possessor of secrets. They use them as bait, as currency, titillating their audience. They want be gurus. No more secrets means no more Gnostic gurus.

Sorry. Those days are over. You had a good run, though.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I do not see it as a duality at all. We see ourselves separate and yet connected all of the time.

Exactly. The non-dual is an observation of the connection, which is absolutely non-dual. The error comes from ignoring the pair as individuals in favor of the pairing, which is the relationship.

And, even this relationship between the pair and the pairing is duality. The way to prove that it is dual, is to remove one of the pair. The entire construct collapses into oblivion.

Oblivion... as they say, ignorance is bliss. And that's why the modern Hindu gurus are promoting this sort of non-dual oblivion in order to cultivate joy. Although technically it is revealing or a realization of specific type of joy that has always been there. It's the joy that comes from ignorance and innocence. Ignorance is bliss.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Divinity is the values, virtues, and qualities of character that have a perfection that enable trust and deserve that also transcends us humans that seek it beyond the limits of our physical nature and existence. Realization of these qualities is the truth that provides mystical experiences.

Divinity is the light in the dark existence. Humanity stumbles, and has limits of physics, and nature; seeking divinity leads one in the darkness. Human nature can't attain perfection here, but those that will to walk the path can grow closer to that light.

Love of the truth is what gives one genuine mystical experiences. If one has no awareness nor regard, nor interest of the existence of divine truth they will perhaps never find the experiences of the mystical.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
is the mystical journey, or communion with the divine, an inward movement?

to look at one's own conscience and deal with the inner whisperings and mumblings; especially those of the extreme polarization?

did jesus allude to this with the idea of "Behold I AM with you always"? that there is something about self that can be discovered by looking within the cloud like thoughts?

or with the idea that the Kingdom of God is within you luke 17:21?


if we are made in the image, shouldn't we reflect in that image?



The human brain has two centers of consciousness; inner self and the ego. The mystical journey is about reconnecting the ego to the inner self. The inner self is older than the ego and is connected to our human DNA and the evolution of human consciousness from animal consciousness. The inner self is like the center of the brain's natural consciousness firmware, that defines our natural human propensities and is common to all humans. It is what consciously defines us as the human species. The ego is much newer on the evolutionary scale, and it is more connected to learned external knowledge and is moe cultural. The ego is the center of the conscious mind and personal unconscious; unique. While the inner self is the center of the collective unconscious common to all.

All animals have an inner self. This has all the instinctive programs needed to define that animal's behavior and propensities for its species. We can tell a lion or a bear by the behavioral patterns coming from its inner self. It is very natural and super human. The secondary center or ego is only common to humans. Other animals do not have an ego. This is why they remain natural. The human ego appears to have evolved somewhere between 6-10K years ago, went through an unstable period, and finally consolidated with the rise of civilization. The ego is what put civilization over the top.

Adam, in a symbolic sense, by being defined as the first human, is about the appearance of the ego. This secondary center was different from animal nature, causing a change from the more natural DNA based pre-humans with only an inner self. In the biblical sense, the first humans, with will and choice, were the ones who got the first egos. This ego or secondary center, could willfully make choices apart from the natural programs of the inner self. This caused the loss of paradise; inner self's natural instinct. This was replaced by ego-centric or learned knowledge and cultural education and indoctrination. That deeper connection to nature and God was lost. It is still within our DNA and inner self, but it has been repressed, and even sealed, so the ego does not tamper with the natural DNA firmware; add bugs.

The mystical journey is the process of reconnecting to the inner self. The kingdom of God is within you; inner self. It has the potential to restore you to like before the fall from nature and paradise. The Mystical Journey is often full of challenges such a finding the Holy Grail; inner self, Or fighting the Dragon to steal his treasure; inner self. Some religions call this path and the goal, enlightenment. Since the inner self is common to all humans, these difference of expression are due to cultural differences and the ego; outer man. But all inward roads lead to Rome; inner self. The inner self is what helps you find the path inward, which does not dissolve the ego, but help reprograms the ego; born-again, so it can coexist and in turn have access to its higher human potential. The inner self can use the main frame parts of the brain due to its pinnacle DNA nature.

In my own mystical journey, I first learned about the inner self from the late Psychologist Carl Jung. Jung was the star student of Freud and Freud was his mentor. Jung expanded upon Freud's concept of the Id. To Jung the Id was what he called the shadow, and was just the entrance to even deeper layers of the unconscious; collective unconscious and the archetypes; programs of the inner self.

I learned and accepted the logic and proof of his thesis and decided to expand his work by seeing if I could witness the inner self and try to develop an interactive rapport. My Mystical Journey was not seen as such, but was seen more like doing pioneer science of the mind. This began with simply recording and learning to analyze my dreams. I kept a dream journal and would try to analyze as best I could. The more you record and analyze, the more conscious you become in dreams and the more detail you witness. One can even learn to be conscious in some dreams and have some control over the dream scape and action. It is quite the trip. The dream symbols also start to change from personal to collective symbols; girl down the street to the White Queen. This is when the mystical journey really begins; collective human symbols.

In my case, the differentiation of all symbols, by my ego, over two years, from dream analysis and active imagination, led to a dissociation of my mind. Many of these things are usually not conscious, and making all them conscious to observe and analyze cause dissociation. There was a cross roads, where I was not sure how to put all the piece back together. I stopped the analysis phase and began an integration phase. Luckily, through synchronicity, I was reading the most challenging work of Jung. This was a book called Mysterium Coniunctionis or the Mystical Union. This book was about symbols of transformation. This allowed me to understand nature healing process from the inner self when it appeared in a dream. The Alchemists called it the 1000-fold distillation, which was an inner self driven process that not only put me back together but rewired me so I had an interactive rapport with the inner self.

The Mystical Journey can be rewarding but it can be dangerous, difficult and very long; life quest to gain your life.
 
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