The nanny state and racist menthol cigarettes. God save the black community.

[Saint Frankenstein]

Addiction and personal choice are the same issue.

Addiction speaks directly to whether you actually are deciding for themselves. Chemical dependency hampers your ability to make free choices.

Personally, I see government regulations like these as restoring the conditions of a real free market by addressing externalities, market failures, market distortions, etc... or in cases where these problems can't be addressed, limiting the harm of these problems through regulation.

That makes little sense when I can buy 2 Four Lokos, drink myself blackout drunk with those 2 drinks (or maybe just one for most people) and have spent less than $5. The US is awash with binge drinking and alcoholism. It's celebrated here and alcohol is promoted all over the place. Drunks are all over the place here, begging for change to buy their cheap ice beers and urinating and puking in plain site on major street curbs. I've seen all of these things multiple times lately in board daylight here. Alcoholism has a wonderful connection to violence that I could go on about, too.

So I highly doubt that the government really has our best health interests in mind with this proposed ban, just like all the other purposed bans on tobacco and nicotine products. They don't work, anyway. They banned clove cigs for nonsense reasons around a decade ago, but you can still import them or just buy clove cigarillos.

America is the most drug dependent nation in the history of the world, perhaps. Most of us are on something, legal or illegal. So this is a social and cultural issue that no law can solve.

We know prohibition doesn't work.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep. It's in. Menthol cigarettes are racist and has to go says the big state.

The FDA could ban menthol cigarettes this week. Experts say Black Americans would benefit most.

OK dokie..... yea....

You know..... People simply can't make their own decisions, and needs the big state to tell them what to do.

Here is my take on it. The ban would not be because menthol is favored by black smokers. The ban is because menthol makes cigarettes more easily tolerated by new smokers regardless of race. Especially at a young age one reacts more strongly against the taste and effects of tobacco. Delaying the age of when anyone starts to smoke will lessen the number of those that do. Banning menthol, since it is a taste disguising addition to cigarettes is a reasonable thing to do. Black people, because they statistically do start at a younger age are apt to benefit more from this than other races.

Banning menthol will likely not cause very many present day smokers to quit at all. They will merely change to unflavored tobaccos. It is the future potential smoker that they are worried about.

And cigarette companies know that it will not harm current sales. What they are concerned with are future ones.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Here is my take on it. The ban would not be because menthol is favored by black smokers. The ban is because menthol makes cigarettes more easily tolerated by new smokers regardless of race. Especially at a young age one reacts more strongly against the taste and effects of tobacco. Delaying the age of when anyone starts to smoke will lessen the number of those that do. Banning menthol, since it is a taste disguising addition to cigarettes is a reasonable thing to do. Black people, because they statistically do start at a younger age are apt to benefit more from this than other races.

Banning menthol will likely not cause very many present day smokers to quit at all. They will merely change to unflavored tobaccos. It is the future potential smoker that they are worried about.

And cigarette companies know that it will not harm current sales. What they are concerned with are future ones.

What I find ironic is there are bans proposed on smoking products, yet Marijuana is being endorsed and legalized.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I find ironic is there are bans proposed on smoking products, yet Marijuana is being endorsed and legalized.

Different risks are involved. We have not seen cancer from marijuana, yet. Now there may be a few that smoke marijuana like others smoke tobacco, but that would be a very small minority. No need to ban marijuana for that.

 

[exchemist]

So you think dark skinned people need their personal decisions forced on them by big government?

Point out to me where I made any reference to "big government", whatever that may be.

And while you are at it, you can tell me whether you think the past aggressive marketing of opiates to US doctors is OK, or whether you think government, "big" or otherwise, should have stepped in to stop it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Different risks are involved. We have not seen cancer from marijuana, yet. Now there may be a few that smoke marijuana like others smoke tobacco, but that would be a very small minority. No need to ban marijuana for that.

Neither does menthol. It's just a flavor.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep. It's in. Menthol cigarettes are racist and has to go says the big state.

The FDA could ban menthol cigarettes this week. Experts say Black Americans would benefit most.

OK dokie..... yea....

You know..... People simply can't make their own decisions, and needs the big state to tell them what to do.

I think it's wonderful that government faces the
problem of backs not being able to fully fend for
themselves. It's up to government to look after
them, & protect them from their own poor decisions.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it's wonderful that government faces the
problem of backs not being able to fully fend for
themselves. It's up to government to look after
them, & protect them from their own poor decisions.

What a weak state of mind to be in.

Gotten to the point govt/deep state must absolutely step in and save them for themselves because the ability to make one's own decisions just isn't there.

Says a lot.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What I find ironic is there are bans proposed on smoking products, yet Marijuana is being endorsed and legalized.

Why's that ironic? The impacts are different. The issues are different.

The two products aren't used the same way. "One match a day" pot smokers are pretty rare.

... and I haven't heard of any jurisdictions where marijuana is legal allowing it to be flavoured with things like menthol.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why's that ironic? The impacts are different. The issues are different.

The two products aren't used the same way. "One match a day" pot smokers are pretty rare.

... and I haven't heard of any jurisdictions where marijuana is legal allowing it to be flavoured with things like menthol.

Give it time.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Give it time.

... for menthol pot?

 

[Twilight Hue]

... for menthol pot?

Hey I see it as a possiblity. ;0]

 

[McBell]

Hey I see it as a possiblity. ;0]

Already ready already:

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