The Next Knesset

[Tumah]

I took a quiz. Apparently I'm a Republican. Mazal Tov.
So I disagree with everything you Democrats are saying.

 

[metis]

I took a quiz. Apparently I'm a Republican. Mazal Tov.
So I disagree with everything you Democrats are saying.

If I was a Republican, I sure wouldn't admit it.

 

[gsa]

Declaring opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state and condemning Israeli Arabs for voting may have convinced some right wingers to support him and put him over the edge, but I think that Bibi has just guaranteed Israel further isolation and loss of international support. It is time for the United States to reward him for his breach of protocol at the Security Council.

 

[Tumah]

If I was a Republican, I sure wouldn't admit it.

One second, let me just do a quick search to find out if Republicans take offense at those remarks.
I'm new to this politics thing.

 

[metis]

Declaring opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state and condemning Israeli Arabs for voting may have convinced some right wingers to support him and put him over the edge, but I think that Bibi has just guaranteed Israel further isolation and loss of international support. It is time for the United States to reward him for his breach of protocol at the Security Council.

I don't think you're likely to see any real change in American foreign policy towards Israel because Israel is more important than Netanyahu is. The Europeans will gripe and complain but a change there is unlikely as well.

However, one area of concern that I have is that his playing the "race card" with the Arabs will tend to create more frustration with them and some moderates may be inclined to go in the direction of the more radical elements, especially Hamas. This may very well undercut Abbas' support or force him to take a harder line.

Another effect is that it may make a peace deal with the U.S., Europeans, and Iran even more difficult to establish, and it's likely to embolden the political right here in the States to reject any agreement to lift sanctions against Iran.

 

[gsa]

I don't think you're likely to see any real change in American foreign policy towards Israel because Israel is more important than Netanyahu is. The Europeans will gripe and complain but a change there is unlikely as well.

However, one area of concern that I have is that his playing the "race card" with the Arabs will tend to create more frustration with them and some moderates may be inclined to go in the direction of the more radical elements, especially Hamas. This may very well undercut Abbas' support or force him to take a harder line.

Another effect is that it may make a peace deal with the U.S., Europeans, and Iran even more difficult to establish, and it's likely to embolden the political right here in the States to reject any agreement to lift sanctions against Iran.

We'll see.

 

[metis]

We'll see.

Yep.

BTW, I'm not betting my house on any of what I wrote.

 

[Juhurka]

Just out of curiosity, because I honestly wouldn't know, but what exactly is the right in Israel going to do that isn't going to bring even more death and suicide bombings?

The right in Israel will not bend over to the people who want you dead. In the Arab world offers of peace is taken as weakness and a strong hand is respected. In the Middle East force is respected and no one bothers you.

Hopefully the Israeli right will concentrate on Jewish values, build more houses in Judea and Samaria and do not allow a Plaestinian state on Jewish soil. You cannot compare arab minority in Israel with minorities in America for example. Minorities in America strife to become part of the society while arabs in Israel act as the 5th column, what normal country would allow that? If arabs do not want to live in a Jewish state they are free to leave, no one is holding them back and if that goes against Western democracy, who cares? Israel is a Jewish first and democracy second.

Everyone constantly wants Israel to offer peace but why? how can you offer peace to people who don't even believe you exist? all these noble ideas created by the western world is nothing but a fantasy to the middle east so to expect Israel to offer peace with nothing in return is the most delusional idea.

Arabs had their chance, they refused it, started multiple wars and lost every single one of them and now they want Israel to go out of its way and offer peace? it is losers who should be begging for peace not the other way around. Would arabs offer peace or slaughter if they would be the ones who won?

 

[dust1n]

Amazing that you simply didn't address, at all, the only question I asked.

 

[Tumah]

I don't think you're likely to see any real change in American foreign policy towards Israel because Israel is more important than Netanyahu is. The Europeans will gripe and complain but a change there is unlikely as well.

However, one area of concern that I have is that his playing the "race card" with the Arabs will tend to create more frustration with them and some moderates may be inclined to go in the direction of the more radical elements, especially Hamas. This may very well undercut Abbas' support or force him to take a harder line.

Another effect is that it may make a peace deal with the U.S., Europeans, and Iran even more difficult to establish, and it's likely to embolden the political right here in the States to reject any agreement to lift sanctions against Iran.

I agree with the first. Hopefully even more so, once Obama is ooo.
I disagree with the second on the basis that I don't think you are demonstrating a complete grasp of the mentality here.
And I don't think the last point is something that Israeli voters should take into consideration when voting.

 

[Juhurka]

It's always interesting to hear a moronic support of the race-baiting, fear-monguering right.

It is always amusing to see people call you racist when their world view is challenged. Claiming that you stand for equality against racism and as a result deny someones right to self determination is totalitarian idea. Liberalism/leftism is a fascist like idea where we are correct and anyone who thinks differently must be a hater or racist. A very totalitarian, egoistic, imperialistic idea sounds like fascism to me.

 

[Juhurka]

Amazing that you simply didn't address, at all, the only question I asked.

Are you referring to me? I did address your question.

Hopefully the Israeli right will concentrate on Jewish values, build more houses in Judea and Samaria and do not allow a Plaestinian state on Jewish soil.

 

[dust1n]

Are you referring to me? I did address your question.

Hopefully the Israeli right will concentrate on Jewish values, build more houses in Judea and Samaria and do not allow a Plaestinian state on Jewish soil.

And this is the right's plan to lessen the instances of death and suicide bombing?

I don't see how concentrating on Jewish values, building more houses in Judea and Samaria and not allowing a Palestinian state, is going to reduce the instances of death and suicide.

Perhaps there are few logical steps I'm missing...

 

[Juhurka]

And this is the right's plan to lessen the instances of death and suicide bombing?

I don't see how concentrating on Jewish values, building more houses in Judea and Samaria and not allowing a Palestinian state, is going to reduce the instances of death and suicide.

Perhaps there are few logical steps I'm missing...

do you prefer killing them or expelling them? I would prefer to expel them and avoid spilling blood but that will not happen under the current leadership so the best option is, they want to see us dead? we will build build and build. Common sense tells me that when you have a weak hand you take what you get because if you get greedy you will loose it all.

 

[Juhurka]

I just don't understand why Jews should give something up because some arab feels unhappy? Jews do not owe arabs anything and if you feel sorry for them, give up your land dont ask someone else to do it. Might sound harsh but with all the hateful and genocidal rhetoric coming from the arab world why should I care for them if they dont even believe I exist?

 

[dust1n]

do you prefer killing them or expelling them? I would prefer to expel them and avoid spilling blood but that will not happen under the current leadership so the best option is, they want to see us dead? we will build build and build.

If those are the only two options that Israel is seriously considering, then I simply withdraw any support, and would certainly vote and petition in my country for the same, and Israel can simply handle it's own self-determination.

Common sense tells me that when you have a weak hand you take what you get because if you get greedy you will loose it all.

Jeez, there's so irony in this sentiment I can feel it in my gut.

 

[JacobEzra.]

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The right in Israel will not bend over to the people who want you dead. In the Arab world offers of peace is taken as weakness and a strong hand is respected. In the Middle East force is respected and no one bothers you.

Hopefully the Israeli right will concentrate on Jewish values, build more houses in Judea and Samaria and do not allow a Plaestinian state on Jewish soil. You cannot compare arab minority in Israel with minorities in America for example. Minorities in America strife to become part of the society while arabs in Israel act as the 5th column, what normal country would allow that? If arabs do not want to live in a Jewish state they are free to leave, no one is holding them back and if that goes against Western democracy, who cares? Israel is a Jewish first and democracy second.

Everyone constantly wants Israel to offer peace but why? how can you offer peace to people who don't even believe you exist? all these noble ideas created by the western world is nothing but a fantasy to the middle east so to expect Israel to offer peace with nothing in return is the most delusional idea.

Arabs had their chance, they refused it, started multiple wars and lost every single one of them and now they want Israel to go out of its way and offer peace? it is losers who should be begging for peace not the other way around. Would arabs offer peace or slaughter if they would be the ones who won?

"5th column", "peace is weakness"

Eveb more right wing, militaristic propaganda.

Funny because if thats true, how did Egypt and Jordan make peace?

Seems its like whitesplaining

 

[Juhurka]

If those are the only two options that Israel is seriously considering, then I simply withdraw any support, and would certainly vote and petition in my country for the same, and Israel can simply handle it's own self-determination.



Jeez, there's so irony in this sentiment I can feel it in my gut.

The real irony is that the world expects Jews to keep dying until arab society grows up and becomes civilized. Where were you when those animals stormed a synagogue and slaughtered people in called blood just because they are Jewish or where were you when the Fogel family were slaughtered in cold blood, children age of 3, 5 and 7 had their necks cut isis style and you want us to make peace with these people? It is easy to be a keyboard warrior sitting behind your computer expecting others to sacrifice them self's for your liberal fantasies.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I just don't understand why Jews should give something up because some arab feels unhappy? Jews do not owe arabs anything and if you feel sorry for them, give up your land dont ask someone else to do it. Might sound harsh but with all the hateful and genocidal rhetoric coming from the arab world why should I care for them if they dont even believe I exist?

Netanyahu is just as racist and genocidal. Hell, he won because he played upon racism and fear

 

[Juhurka]

"

"5th column", "peace is weakness"

Eveb more right wing, militaristic propaganda.

Funny because if thats true, how did Egypt and Jordan make peace?

Seems its like whitesplaining

Egypt and Jordan made peace after multiple wars only after they realized that they cannot defeat Israel.