the old and the new testament

[Fool]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

jesus refers to himself as a prophet and so do the people. when did it become OK in Israel to worship a man? a prophet?

Matthew 13:57
And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”

Mark 6:4
Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.”

Luke 13:33
In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

John 4:44
(Now Jesus himself had pointed out that a prophet has no honor in his own country.)

The people saw him as a prophet.

Matthew 21:11
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

Matthew 21:46
They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Luke 7:16
They were all filled with awe and praised God. “A great prophet has appeared among us,” they said. “God has come to help his people.”

Luke 7:39
When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

Luke 24:19
“What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.

John 4:19
“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet.

John 6:14
After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.”

John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, “Surely this man is the Prophet.”

John 9:17
Then they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.” The man replied, “He is a prophet.”

 

[wizanda]

And I have no interest in your old covenant. The New one is better.

As a follower of Yeshua we should be respectful of both, the Abrahamic covenant and Sinai covenant are both nullified, and finished by them paying 30 pieces of silver for Yeshua, which was put in the Potters field in the House of Israel (Zechariah 11)...

We can show this has historically been fulfilled by the 2nd temple destruction, and diaspora (Luke 19:41-44).

There still remains two covenants, one with David that there shall be a king to reign, and one to Aaron that there will be prophets maintained.

If we bother to study what covenant Yeshua gave to the Jews, the only stipulation of this last supper is in Ezekiel 4 & Ezekiel 5, where it is a defiled covenant of dung cakes and urine (communion), as they've defiled the table of the Lord by exchanging man for animal.

Jeremiah 31 with its new covenant has not been fulfilled yet, as that is within the Messianic age where all tribes are reunited (Revelation 7:4-8) in a divine everlasting covenant.

In my opinion.

 

[BilliardsBall]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

An unfortunate word choice, one which many Jewish people find demeaning.

It's also inexplicable considering it should be one Bible.

 

[metis]

Aquinas felt that a literalist approach with the OT was impossible or Jesus could not be regarded as "the messiah", thus it's main main purpose to him was that it prefigured Jesus. Please note that this was his opinion.

 

[syo]

jesus refers to himself as a prophet and so do the people. when did it become OK in Israel to worship a man? a prophet?

Matthew 13:57
And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”

Mark 6:4
Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.”

Luke 13:33
In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

John 4:44
(Now Jesus himself had pointed out that a prophet has no honor in his own country.)

The people saw him as a prophet.

Matthew 21:11
The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

Matthew 21:46
They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Luke 7:16
They were all filled with awe and praised God. “A great prophet has appeared among us,” they said. “God has come to help his people.”

Luke 7:39
When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

Luke 24:19
“What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.

John 4:19
“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet.

John 6:14
After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.”

John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, “Surely this man is the Prophet.”

John 9:17
Then they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.” The man replied, “He is a prophet.”

jesus didn't view himself as prophet but as a messenger of god. a prophet was about the messiah, jesus didn't preach that there is a future messiah. other people mistaken him as prophet.

 

[Fool]

jesus didn't view himself as prophet but as a messenger of god. a prophet was about the messiah, jesus didn't preach that there is a future messiah. other people mistaken him as prophet.

you're nullifying certain scriptures?

 

[syo]

you're nullifying certain scriptures?

i don't remember that jesus had preached that a messiah will come after him.

 

[Fool]

i don't remember that jesus had preached that a messiah will come after him.

i'm not discussing that. i'm referring to jesus stating that he was a prophet., messiah or no.

 

[syo]

i'm not discussing that. i'm referring to jesus stating that he was a prophet., messiah or no.

jesus used simple words and stories so that people would understand him. he was a prophet of love, nothing like a prophet of the ot.

 

[Fool]

jesus used simple words and stories so that people would understand him. he was a prophet of love, nothing like a prophet of the ot.

so you don't see the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter as the spirit that he would pray to the father to send in the Father's name, like he was sent in the Father's name?

John 5:43
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26
[ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

 

[syo]

so you don't see the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter as the spirit that he would pray to the father to send in the Father's name, like he was sent in the Father's name?

John 5:43
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26
[ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

what about it?

 

[Fool]

what about it?

you don't see jesus as the personification of that Spirit of Truth? or him implying that another would come as that Spirit too bearing the "name".


like this messenger. not the Lord Almighty sends the Lord not Almighty and before him will go a messenger. that messenger/spirit that goes before the Lord not Almighty was elijah known by jesus and his followers as john.

an advocate is not exclusively one person


Malachi 3:1
“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

 

[pearl]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

The 'old' and 'new' are unfortunately used for convenience sake, otherwise they are properly referred to as Hebrew and Christian Scripture. Unlike the Jews who have no need to read our Christian Scriptures, Christian familiarity with the prior testament is necessary to understanding Jesus' own faith.

 

[syo]

you don't see jesus as the personification of that Spirit of Truth? or him implying that another would come as that Spirit too bearing the "name".


like this messenger. not the Lord Almighty sends the Lord not Almighty and before him will go a messenger. that messenger/spirit that goes before the Lord not Almighty was elijah known by jesus and his followers as john.

an advocate is not exclusively one person


Malachi 3:1
“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

i disagree. he talks about sending the holy spirit to the apostoles to guide them. the holy spirit is not the messiah.

 

[Fool]

i disagree. he talks about sending the holy spirit to the apostoles to guide them. the holy spirit is not the messiah.

he refers to himself as the truth, that isn't the spirit of truth, of God?


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

no one comes to the Truth except through the Spirit of Truth; which is of the Father. Because the Father is Spirit.

not the Spirit of Truth as jesus said?

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

 

[pearl]

jesus used simple words and stories so that people would understand him. he was a prophet of love, nothing like a prophet of the ot.

The 'woes' in Mt 23 Jesus is very much like the prophets before him. Part of what led to His death, being a troublemaking prophet, as those before him.

 

[syo]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

that's right. jesus is the way. but jesus as a human stayed on earth for a little time, he then had to go to heaven. and he didn't want to leave the apostoles alone without guidance so he sent to them the holy spirit. the holy spirit is not the messiah.

 

[David T]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

Orthodoxy is for idiots the new testament was a total absolute rejection of that as just dead dead dead. If Joseph had followed orthodoxy jesus and mary would be dead dead dead and there would be no Christianity. Screw orthodoxy. It's for clueless half wits created by clueless half wits. How is that not self affirming?.I night add, we could have a global pentacost, and in 5 generations the bull**** would begin to come back and we would have a "new" orthodoxy better than the "old" orthodoxy. It's all bs. It's our ever recreating golden calf. Muir got it right.

 

[Mark La Buda]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

Notice what Paul said at 2 Timothy 3:16. Furthermore, quotes form the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures are quoted/paraphrased in the New Testament/Greek Scriptures. Jesus referred to them many times also. I do not believe that one is more significant or beneficial than the other. To understand some scriptures in the NT requires referencing the OT. As well as scriptures within the OT help with the understanding other scriptures in the OT.

 

[abbabdon]

In the old schools of gnostic christianity, the ot god of 'the prophets' is the LORD of hosts (adonaios sabaoth) and in scripture like pistis sophia, christ himself calls this entity 'my father'. Thus the ot god of 'the better half' of ancient israel is christ's father (and god in various confirmed verses). The trick is confirming whether or not 'the lion of Judah' is christ or the coming again of shiloh, of moses as a warrior king.. Every tree and every herb, thy rod and thy staff, etc. Therein lies the dilemma.