The OT = UGH

[Riverwolf]

Head of Sodom?

I assume you meant "heard". If you read my posts, you'll see that I've already drawn the connection between Canaan and Sodom/Gomorrah.

I still don't buy it. Nothing justifies genocide.

 

[Sleeppy]

I assume you meant "heard". If you read my posts, you'll see that I've already drawn the connection between Canaan and Sodom/Gomorrah.

I still don't buy it. Nothing justifies genocide.

We still live with his type of mentality today.. Within, and without Judaism and Christianity.

Separate the good people from the evil people. Kill the evil people, their offspring, and all they ever did. Let the good people take the land they inhabited. Send the good people to heaven, and the evil people to hell.

I'm glad there are some people who realize the difference between an ego and God Almighty.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

We still live with his type of mentality today.. Within, and without Judaism and Christianity.

Separate the good people from the evil people. Kill the evil people, their offspring, and all they ever did. Let the good people take the land they inhabited. Send the good people to heaven, and the evil people to hell.

I'm glad there are some people who realize the difference between an ego and God Almighty.

What's so weird is that it's just what Hitler did to the Jews -- labeled them evil and in need of destruction -- yet we hear Jewish people defending the same behavior. It's pretty shocking to my ears. One would think Jews of all people would condemn that kind of behavior in no uncertain terms.

Defending genocide. Yikes.

 

[Shermana]

It is also pervasively racist and, as such, thoroughly ignorant.

What are you saying is racist and ignorant, the context of the story? You want to erase it from the Torah and just pretend the Jews inherited Canaan by kindly asking the Canaanites to leave? Or do you want the Torah to read "And so the peace loving Canaanites were brutally slaughtered by the Evil Israelites and their dark god"?

Are you going to call all the Orthodox and Conservative Jews who agree its a literal story and agree with the concept racist and ignorant as well?

Maybe you should be a Marcionite while you're at it.

Perhaps this is an example of why debating the OT with gentiles (and Liberal Jews) who don't quite understand the concept of textual context should be avoided.

 

[CMike]

I assume you meant "heard". If you read my posts, you'll see that I've already drawn the connection between Canaan and Sodom/Gomorrah.

I still don't buy it. Nothing justifies genocide.

It's based on what G-d instructed the Jews.

If you don't want to believe it that's your issue.

If you believe in him take up your beef with him.

 

[Shermana]

It's based on what G-d instructed the Jews.

If you don't want to believe it that's your issue.

If you believe in him take up your beef with him.

The problem is, they want to smear our entire narrative using their modern liberal concepts. Should we just leave them to smear?

 

[CMike]

:clap: Excellent point.

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The problem is, they want to smear our entire narrative using their modern liberal concepts. Should we just leave them to smear?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

It's based on what G-d instructed the Jews.

If you don't want to believe it that's your issue.

If you believe in him take up your beef with him.

If your God seems to behave like a monster, perhaps it's time to wonder whether you may be suffering some confusion about Him and His message.

 

[CMike]

If your God seems to behave like a monster, perhaps it's time to wonder whether you may be suffering some confusion about Him and His message.

Perhaps you are simply ignorant and wish to remain that way?

You could try to understand the context but you obviously don't care.

 

[Sleeppy]

Perhaps you are simply ignorant and wish to remain that way?

You could try to understand the context but you obviously don't care.

You care. Explain the context to him.

 

[Shermana]

Perhaps we should just wish them well in a life of Canaanite conditions so they can see firsthand how the Canaanites they love so much lived.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Perhaps you are simply ignorant and wish to remain that way?

No, I don't wish to remain ignorant. What do you have to help me understand why I shouldn't see the genocide of the Jewish God as monstrous?

 

[Riverwolf]

It's based on what G-d instructed the Jews.

If you don't want to believe it that's your issue.

If you believe in him take up your beef with him.

I tend to leave the Gods of other people to themselves. I, for one, don't claim to know if El actually had any hand in any historical event that may or may not have inspired it.

My beef is with the story. If it's literal history, disgusting. But as far as I can tell, that's not likely.

 

[Riverwolf]

The problem is, they want to smear our entire narrative using their modern liberal concepts. Should we just leave them to smear?

Not the whole narrative. Just that one book, and only as a story, within the context of that story.

Pretty sure I made that clear.

If you found morally questionable or reprehensible material in Northern European lore, I'd not bat an eye if you criticized it in that context. (Such as Wotan cheating the giants out of the agreed deal, which was reprehensible anyway, in Das Rhinegold.)

 

[Shermana]

I tend to leave the Gods of other people to themselves. I, for one, don't claim to know if El actually had any hand in any historical event that may or may not have inspired it.

My beef is with the story. If it's literal history, disgusting. But as far as I can tell, that's not likely.

How do you suppose the Jews went on to occupy the land? The Canaanites were far numerically superior to them, had reliable supply bases, and were a very battle-scarred people who had much war experience fighting the Egyptians.

 

[Riverwolf]

Perhaps we should just wish them well in a life of Canaanite conditions so they can see firsthand how the Canaanites they love so much lived.

Historically, I don't know how much is actually known about Canaanite life. In the context of the story, though, I still fail to see how it justifies genocide.

 

[Riverwolf]

How do you suppose the Jews went on to occupy the land? The Canaanites were far numerically superior to them, had reliable supply bases, and were a very battle-scarred people who had much war experience fighting the Egyptians.

I understand that the accepted history is that the Jews ARE the Canaanites, not foreigners.

 

[Shermana]

Historically, I don't know how much is actually known about Canaanite life. In the context of the story, though, I still fail to see how it justifies genocide.

Doesn't your own texts indicate that people will be destroyed if they commit abominations? How does wanton destruction fit karmicly within your Eastern philosophy?

 

[Pegg]

I have to wonder how many christians have read the whole Old Testament and have managed to keep an unchanged opinon of their god. I have to wonder how many have turned away from it after reading the OT.

It seems to me that the OT and the NT are so different that it seems their god has multiple personalities or something.

The amount of raping that occurred in the OT was horrifying.

it wasnt sanctioned by God if thats what you think.

The OT is a recorded history of an ancient world. It shows us how people behave when they dont follow Gods laws...some of that behavior was absolutely horrid! And its the same bahavior that people practice today...raping and killing is probably even more prevalent today because there are more people then back then.

 

[Shermana]

Apparently Asatru is a Revivalism of Norse Paganry.

Hmmm....if I recall right, Norse beliefs indicated the way you could get to heaven was by slaughtering enemies and dying in battle. Does Asatru do away with that part?