The"Other" message about Gays in the bible.

[mickiel]

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To be Gay, in my view, is, at its root, two different realitys: One, a predeterminded desire placed in you without your choice before you were born; secondly, its a choice that is made at some point in your life.

And let me go further into that.

Peace.

Lets deal with the first reality, and perhaps the most unaccepted by scholars. In my view, God designed human civilization, and humans have just followed suit to that design. God wanted a " Rainbow Coalition of the human experience to always exist." He wanted there to be Gay people, so he inserted that into the human genome. When God does this, the results are unstoppable. Nothing can deter it, its just going to be. Some people were just Gay from birth, and there was absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. Its the same with Alcoholism, Lesbianism, even fanactialism, God wanted the Rainbow coalition of human experience, because he has plans for all of it!

To be Gay in many cases, is to be what you were meant to be!

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

 

[kejos]

Let me say this is the religious mentality that Gays have always faced. A perfect example of it, and if Gays do not familurize themselves with the truth in the bible, then they will continue to be victums of this most deadly view of the bible. Romans 5:18 shows that one act of righteousness by Jesus, cancels out ANY act of unrighteousness by any human.

It does, but the unforgivable sin is to reject that comprehensive act. One way to do that is to commit burglary. Another way is to commit buggery.

To be Gay, in my view, is, at its root, two different realitys: One, a predeterminded desire placed in you without your choice before you were born; secondly, its a choice that is made at some point in your life.

It's always a decision, imv, and it takes place in an instant. It's not the decision to become homosexual; it's the decision to hate God, and homosexuality follows from that, perhaps unconsciously. It is possible that some take a decision to hate God in the womb; others seem to do it in early childhood, or later. But the earlier that decision is made, the more likely it is that the maker forgets that he or she made it, and assumes that he/she was always homosexual. There is anyway the possibility that a homosexual who recalls a decision to become homosexual may deny that it was made, and claim an innate preference.

 

[mickiel]

To be Gay in many cases, is to be what you were meant to be!

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

If you were Gay from birth, then you were meant to be that way. I have seen this myself in my own family. Nephews that from birth, were just Gay. From a child, they were just that way, and their brothers were not. I can see no other explination for this, a Gay person can be born Gay! How are we to be blamed for something like that?

Why then is it even a condition that presumes blame from the start? Your going to blame me for being a human being that has different desires than you?

Gays must face this, but there is somethingelse to it all.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[kejos]

If you were Gay from birth, then you were meant to be that way. I have seen this myself in my own family. Nephews that from birth, were just Gay. From a child, they were just that way, and their brothers were not. I can see no other explination for this, a Gay person can be born Gay!

It's always a decision, imv, and it takes place in an instant. It's not the decision to become homosexual; it's the decision to hate God, and homosexuality follows from that, perhaps unconsciously. It is possible that some take a decision to hate God in the womb; others seem to do it in early childhood, or later. But the earlier that decision is made, the more likely it is that the maker forgets that he or she made it, and assumes that he/she was always homosexual. There is anyway the possibility that a homosexual who recalls a decision to become homosexual may deny that it was made, and claim an innate preference.

 

[mickiel]

We all are " Born into a society", and whatever strture that society has will naturally effect us, and then the pressure is on IF your way of being does not conform to society. This is the predujuice of Gays in a nutshell. And the sheer amount of Gay preference has done little to pacify society because of the " Religious effect" on society. Their is a mark on Gays, and they have made a mark of their own in defense of this incredible pressure.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

It's always a decision, imv, and it takes place in an instant. It's not the decision to become homosexual; it's the decision to hate God, and homosexuality follows from that, .

Here we have a further example of the predujice Gays must face, this poster is implying that hate of God is followed by homosexuality. All too easy to examine this incredible inverted hatred of Homosexuals, done so with the sheild of religion. And then the implication that Gays hate God. Incredible example of how religion has fueled the ignorance of the human condition.

To be Gay is a challange, which carrys with it a Godly Reward. When God preordains suffering, he ALWAYS rewards it! Don't forget that!

In my zeal I used to pounce on Atheist and just rip them apart, then God showed me they are Atheist because its how HE wants them to be! It changed my thoughts, and that change is still occuring as of now. I got so involved in the attack, I grew to like doing it, all the while thinking I was doing Gods will.

A believer in God can become so zealous in their views, that they can hurt others, condemn others, and think thats Gods will.

And this has " Turned off many Gays from the consideration of God."

Its wrong for anyone to turn away from considering God, but I got to admit, if I were Gay, I would see absolutely no reason to consider God.

And thats a handicap many Gays have, and I want to go into releasing some of your thoughts on that burden.

Peace.

 

[kejos]

Here we have a further example of the predujice Gays must face, this poster is implying that hate of God is followed by homosexuality. All too easy to examine this incredible inverted hatred of Homosexuals

That appalling comment was expected.

 

[xxclaro]

It's always a decision, imv, and it takes place in an instant. It's not the decision to become homosexual; it's the decision to hate God, and homosexuality follows from that, perhaps unconsciously. It is possible that some take a decision to hate God in the womb; others seem to do it in early childhood, or later. But the earlier that decision is made, the more likely it is that the maker forgets that he or she made it, and assumes that he/she was always homosexual. There is anyway the possibility that a homosexual who recalls a decision to become homosexual may deny that it was made, and claim an innate preference.

Not even sure what to say to that. Might possibly be the single dumbest post I have read on these boards. Someone decided to hate God and go gay in the womb? Do you seriously believe that drivel,or can you simply not come up with anything plausible?

 

[mickiel]

When a man looks at a man and sees desire and passion, that is a " Burning", a lust for sure. So then lust is one of the main componants of being Gay. No doubt there! Yet, what is the difference when a man looks at a woman and sees desire and passion, its still lust of the flesh. No doubt there. So being Gay is more about the direction of your lust, than it is lust itself. And this is important, Gays are really being targeted about the direction of lust, than lust itself. And how society interpits that direction.

If I lust after a dog, really my lust cannot be rejected as something unusual, because we all lust, its the direction of my lust that is being rejected by others. Well, its my desire, I want that dog, and it seems no one understands it. So I understand that pressure, and decide to get that dog in private, and learn to satisfy myself in that privacy. This is the birth of " The closet Gay." Just do it undercover.

And the ramifications of being forced to do it undercover has been very crippling to Gays.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

L

 

[mickiel]

The " Closet Gay" has decided to just keep their sexuality to themselves. They look to avoid the controversey , the redicule, the embarassment, the harrassment. Some just don't want anyone in their business, others are just afraid of what could happen. Some don't want to hurt their families, so they go inward with their sexuality. They are not flashy or " Flaming!" They are discrete and withdrawn.

And perhaps wisely save themselves a lot of turmoil.

Then we have the " Openly Gay."

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Then we have the " Openly Gay."

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

The " Openly Gay" are quite an impressive brave group, they have decided that what others think of their sexuality is not enough to control their " Public Image." More Gays are open than ever before. I think the two most prominant reasons for this is the growing acceptance of Gays in society, and the growing courage of Gays in themselves.

But we can never allow society to overinfluence our thinking and behavior, espically when it comes to the bible. Its not what society thinks about the bible, its what the bible explains about itself.

And I want to get into that.