The Paradox of Tolerance

[Thief]

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A tolerant society, cannot tolerate the intolerant.

What say you?

a play on words....here we go

there has always been.....and shall always be
someone stretching their freedom
and the rest of us stand back to say.....
What's HE going to turn out like...
and someone else says......
nevermind

 

[Stevicus]

Which is why the ownership (and hence control) of the media is vital, to keep the people at the circus, placated, accepting of the wheelbarrows.

Well, in this context, if they were worried about Caesar taking power and forming a dictatorship, there's one of two things they could have done:

1. Control the media and scream to the high heavens about what a bad man Caesar is - and hope that the plebs believe them.

2. Treat the plebs nicer.

Time and time again, the powers that be always pick option 1 - and then endlessly complain that Caesar has come to power. Even when option 2 is staring them right in the face. It never seems to dawn on them. Strange.

 

[Secret Chief]

Well, in this context, if they were worried about Caesar taking power and forming a dictatorship, there's one of two things they could have done:

1. Control the media and scream to the high heavens about what a bad man Caesar is - and hope that the plebs believe them.

2. Treat the plebs nicer.

Time and time again, the powers that be always pick option 1 - and then endlessly complain that Caesar has come to power. Even when option 2 is staring them right in the face. It never seems to dawn on them. Strange.

Who are the "good men" you refer to?

 

[Stevicus]

Who are the "good men" you refer to?

The people in power who existed before the "bad men" who took over.

 

[Secret Chief]

The people in power who existed before the "bad men" who took over.

Ok, so I don't get the "Time and time again, the powers that be always pick", suggesting the "men" act the same, whether "good" or "bad" ?

 

[Kooky]

What does it mean to tolerate & to not tolerate?
This whole discussion is as useful as nailing mayonaise to a wall.

One possible option to come to a greater understanding of the topic would be to read any of the works by, or about, Sir Karl Popper and the issue he is argueing here. It certainly beats trawling through dictionaries, in my humble opinion.

 

[Vinayaka]

A few thoughts ... Tolerance isn't acceptance. It simply means to allow to exist, or hold beliefs that differ from your own, or differ from the mainstream. I think the word gets confused with acceptance some days. Thinking of it more as the verb helps me. 'To tolerate' . There is also a huge difference between belief and behaviour. One can tolerate a belief easier than the behaviour that may or may not be a result of said belief. If my neighbour hates me, that's one thing, but if they attack me because of it, that's another.

'Tolerate' my way isn't tolerance at all. Some folks have a narrow definition of tolerance, and they can't accept any way of thinking that is outside that definition, thus contradicting themselves.

 

[Stevicus]

Ok, so I don't get the "Time and time again, the powers that be always pick", suggesting the "men" act the same, whether "good" or "bad" ?

Well, not exactly the same every time. It's just that humans tend to make the same mistakes. History can often repeat itself because people don't learn from those mistakes.

 

[Secret Chief]

Well, not exactly the same every time. It's just that humans tend to make the same mistakes. History can often repeat itself because people don't learn from those mistakes.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that. I was looking at whether there's "good" people in the controlling elites. I made that abundantly unclear.

 

[Revoltingest]

One possible option to come to a greater understanding of the topic would be to read any of the works by, or about, Sir Karl Popper and the issue he is argueing here. It certainly beats trawling through dictionaries, in my humble opinion.

Well....there is a non-answer.

 

[Kooky]

Well....there is a non-answer.

I was giving an answer, but perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.
Here it is again, hopefully clearer:

You're asking for a one-line answer for a question that isn't easy to answer in entire books on the topic, let alone a paragraph.
You're also asking a question that Popper answered extensively in the exact same work where he wrote about the Paradox of Tolerance, The Open Society and Its Enemies.

You're a smart cookie, you can figure it out.

EDIT: If you actually want to learn more, the Stanford Online Encyclopedia of Philosophy extensively discusses different approaches of the issue of tolerance and toleration in this article here:

Toleration (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Revoltingest]

I was giving an answer, but perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.
Here it is again, hopefully clearer:

You're asking for a one-line answer for a question that isn't easy to answer in entire books on the topic, let alone a paragraph.
You're also asking a question that Popper answered extensively in the exact same work where he wrote about the Paradox of Tolerance, The Open Society and Its Enemies.

You're a smart cookie, you can figure it out.

EDIT: If you actually want to learn more, the Stanford Online Encyclopedia of Philosophy extensively discusses different approaches of the issue of tolerance and toleration in this article here:

Toleration (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I didn't specify the length of the question's answer.

 

[Kooky]

I didn't specify the length of the question's answer.

So did you look at the link I sent to you then?

 

[Revoltingest]

So did you look at the link I sent to you then?

Nah.

 

[Kooky]

Nah.

So you weren't really looking for a long answer after all.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you weren't really looking for a long answer after all.

I asked a particular poster because
the terms used had no clear meanings.
You didn't offer your views.
Just a link to read, which isn't as illuminating as some might think.

 

[Kooky]

I asked a particular poster because
the terms used had no clear meanings.

You could have just looked them up in a dictionary, like you usually do.

Just a link to read, which isn't as illuminating as some might think.

How would you know how illuminating it would be if you haven't read it, by your own admission?

 

[Revoltingest]

How would you know how illuminating it would be if you haven't read it, by your own admission?

Experience on RF.