The person baptizing is secretly a satanist. Does your baptism count?

[lewisnotmiller]

Think of it. If thats the case, an atheist can consecrate the Eucharist. Since no one can but male priests, there is more than intentions involved.

Out of interest, what would the implication of an atheist priest consecrating the Eucharist be?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Out of interest, what would the implication of an atheist priest consecrating the Eucharist be?

The meaning behind it? If the athiest had good intentions when concecrating the Eucharist, will it still be the hosts or would it be, then, Jesus?

If the hosts became Jesus, whats to say a woman cant concecrate host? Why cant either give and perform all the sacraments?

With a Catholic woman, I do not understand why she cannot give the sacraments. She still has a union with Christ regardless of her gender.

However, there is a disunion between the atheist and God: because he does not believe He exists. If it were only intentions, that would deeply affect the person receiving the Eucharist and being baptised. It would put a ripple in the Church, to tell you honestly.

Shorter example, that is like an atheist receiving the Eucharist because he had good intentions. Would that be a valid reason? No. Not even protestants can receive th Eucharist and they believe in Christ!

The intentions cannot stand alone. The woman who baptised her children were christian. The priest who baptised a will-be Catholic is Christian. A satanist and atheist are not Christians. Unless they believe in Christ and believe His Father exist, that would be a insult to the Church and to the would be Catholic for them to baptise anyone and concecrate anything.

Personally, Id find it bothersome if an atheist had baptised me because there is a break in fellowship when the Church (Christ) allows someone to do this and he is not in fellowship with the Church.

 

[JM2C]

So, you're getting baptized. But there is a problem. The person baptizing you is a Satanist, and their intention is to secretly perform a satanic baptism.


Does your baptism 'count'?

If your baptism 'counts', then does it not follow that the ''ritual'' of baptism is meaningless, and the belief of the one being baptized is all that matters?

AC 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

EPH 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

If there is only “one baptism” and the Lord Jesus Christ said, “you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” then we could only conclude that the “one baptism” in Eph 4:5 is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and NOT the water baptism.

 

[sojourner]

Anyone can baptize, if the intention is correct. Remember that baptism is a community process, not an individual one. So, the intention of the community, the individual, and God have to be weighed.

 

[Desert Snake]

AC 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

EPH 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

If there is only “one baptism” and the Lord Jesus Christ said, “you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” then we could only conclude that the “one baptism” in Eph 4:5 is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and NOT the water baptism.

Actually, this is exactly my view. The baptism performed by John is completely different from the baptism performed by Jesus, they are not the same thing. The water baptism is performed ''in the name of'' Jesus, or the trinity, not performed ''by'' Jesus or the trinity. That...would be claiming authority by the baptizers, that they do not possess.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

In the Anglican church If the officiator later turns out not to have been an ordained priest, a baptism or wedding is still valid ( both spiritually and legally) if done correctly, and with the proper intent.
An ordained priest who becomes a non believer would be covered by that rule.

You can not be "effectively" baptised twice. However non trinitarian baptism are not recognised, so Anglican, Catholic and Orthodox and many other churches recognise each others baptisms. But not those of JW's, Unitarians or LDS, and other non trinitarians.
Many Christians have no memory of their baptism or even where it was done and have no family to ask. In that case they can have a "conditional" baptism "Just in case" if they desire it.(I have no one living who remembers my baptism, but I do remember my God Father.)

 

[JM2C]

In the Anglican church If the officiator later turns out not to have been an ordained priest, a baptism or wedding is still valid ( both spiritually and legally) if done correctly, and with the proper intent.

An ordained priest who becomes a non believer would be covered by that rule.

You can not be "effectively" baptised twice. However non trinitarian baptism are not recognised, so Anglican, Catholic and Orthodox and many other churches recognise each others baptisms. But not those of JW's, Unitarians or LDS, and other non trinitarians.

Many Christians have no memory of their baptism or even where it was done and have no family to ask. In that case they can have a "conditional" baptism "Just in case" if they desire it.(I have no one living who remembers my baptism, but I do remember my God Father.)

If you’re a rcc or Anglican and jump to Baptist they will baptize you again even if you tell them that you were once baptized by these churches. Your identity belongs to the church that baptized you. What are you? A Baptist, Anglican, a jw, a Pentecostal or a rcc. Whoever baptized you is your identity.

1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.

1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul/Baptist”; another, “I follow Apollos/Anglican”; another, “I follow Cephas/RCC’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If you’re a rcc or Anglican and jump to Baptist they will baptize you again even if you tell them that you were once baptized by these churches. Your identity belongs to the church that baptized you. What are you? A Baptist, Anglican, a jw, a Pentecostal or a rcc. Whoever baptized you is your identity.

1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.

1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul/Baptist”; another, “I follow Apollos/Anglican”; another, “I follow Cephas/RCC’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Trinitarian churches do not rebaptise each others ex members. What most do, Is hold a service where they are accepted into membership of their new faith, in the anglican faith this is usually followed by confirmation in the same service. At the last confirmation in our church there were two such new members admitted and confirmed. Neither needed to be baptised.