The Plurality of God, The First and the Last

[101G]

The eternal God never changed.

Change owned change to the eternal.

Part release to be caused as a cause changed then burnt. Separation acted it's cause.

Heavens filled in Infinite space the separation... a thin empty stretched plane only.

So the water heavens mass of is at the ground state. Owns least space. Thins higher above us.

We came out as and from in the image creator the being and conscious. Man first.

So the eternal being a small bodied release embodied and became man.

By heavenly entry the eternal God being lowered it's owned form.

Female human mother seconded the first man's realisation confirmed real.

first thanks for the reply, second, Change, in what way? please specify.

also, you said,

We came out as and from in the image creator the being and conscious. Man first.

I have one question, "Who was First, the IMAGE, or the source of the IMAGE?"

Female human mother seconded the first man's realisation confirmed real.

please specify how the femal human was second? to be sure you and I understand each other was this second in CREATION, or Forming? which one.

now me, I say second in Forming, but not in CREATION.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, we disagree with you twice, on the terms, "GOD" and "ONE", in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and here's why we disagree.
According to the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments, GOD:
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

the plural of H433? yes, for H433 is the ONE GOD, who is ONE PERSON.
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.


and this plurality is confirmed in the Term "ECHAD, or ONE, which is,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

if you would notice definition #2, it explain the plurality of God in the Order of First, and Last designations which God is, the Ordinal "FIRST"/Father, (Spirit, without Flesh, without Bone, and without Blood, OT). and the Ordinal "LAST"/Son, (Spirit, "G2758 κενόω kenoo, spirit", with Flesh, with Bone, and With Blood. this is the plurality of God in flesh as a Man.
again, there is no getting around it. God is a plurality of "HIMSELF" in Flesh which was to Come.

PICJAG, 101G.

You know, you can keep pasting the same reply over and over, but it doesn't change anything. All you are doing is repeating your error.

 

[101G]

You know, you can keep pasting the same reply over and over, but it doesn't change anything. All you are doing is repeating your error.

same as you, so good day

 

[rational experiences]

first thanks for the reply, second, Change, in what way? please specify.

also, you said,

I have one question, "Who was First, the IMAGE, or the source of the IMAGE?"


please specify how the femal human was second? to be sure you and I understand each other was this second in CREATION, or Forming? which one.

now me, I say second in Forming, but not in CREATION.

PICJAG, 101G.

The eternal never changed being eternal.

Always existed.
Always had existed.
Always will exist.

Will we define as personal by type body.

A creator hence has to exist somewhere.

Meaning a being as beings are in a place that could cause a change. First.

Hence you have to be present a being motivated to cause change.

Then change itself can be described by a question why then how. Needing motivation choice. Otherwise it wouldn't change.

We knew why ..we never knew how.

As it had always existed.

Space was burnt out eternal why it is only a thin plane. O separated held sound bodies from the eternal.

Thin infinite plane stretches to whatever extent. Surrounds all burnt bodies and holds scattered bodies.

Hence eternal has a hole in its own body. Created creation.

So you ask what happened.

Father explained.

The eternal beings live inside the eternal body. Why it remains.

The third position change was it's language spirit. Which instead of flowing was forced held in one place. Why created creation is a fixed held hold then hole where it burst.

Language was a separate being that became the God angel.

Proven in creation as Satan God speaks and is heard.

Created creation was imaged only in a Fixed form. As image produces fixed form. So it's not first as image. Otherwise fixed form couldn't exist.

It was a cause effect.

As eternal communication flowed through everything first. It was whole.

Now it's created changed body is creation.

So to time change is by term rebelling. A sun. That consumes and never time shifted anywhere. Burning light.

We don't time shift either we are greater creating first ovary sperm baby toddler teenager younger healthier forming. Adult is fixed then ages dies.

We go one way into destruction as the proof we left the eternal ourselves.

Our mother owned an eternal being came out second. Proving all changed beings were in the eternal body first left separately.

Why two of every one proves it came from a place communicating back and forth creating change to its own spirit.

As we came back into life returned we knew we had been involved in earths human total life destruction before. Men dug up the evidence knowing they had to prove the scientist man wrong.

As dinosaurs lived in the nature garden first is another proof.

The bible said life eviction out of the garden was by human choice to look at the theme flooded earth naked earth and RA radiation causes. Sun.

Set alight burnt destroyed all life.

Looking back the new human science theist was told the story by Satan's God angel speaking voice that told him his human brother caused it.

The machine scientist who encoded speaking voices.

The story says God Satan had been asleep given peace.

It is proof men know and knew... are aware of destruction. Revel in the desire to over lord and cause suffering by personality disorder.

Self idolate as a God man of science brother to brother. Who took natural love mother father into his desire to convert nature.

 

[101G]

The eternal never changed being eternal.

Always existed.
Always had existed.
Always will exist.

thanks for the reply, i have no disagreement whith the above statement.

now the rest of your post I'm not sure of ... maybe you can make a summed up point.
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[rational experiences]

A point ....you can finger point and say "criminal". The human did it.
A point....I think I made my point known.
A point...a tip. I told you that you lied.

As humans aren't....a mountain point∆.

Statement I think said one man the inventor creator of humans science.

Leader.

I agree said men. Leadership. His status the point.

I theoried the point...mountain. I built the pyramid not a point with God

The point...my science isn't with God. As it was never a mountain.

A mountain natural is with God.
A human natural is with God.
Thinker said hence I lived naturally with the law God.

Science never was with God.

The point. Detailed by words first as a human is first thinking theories second.

Point. Father as a man said he owned his presence first.
Mother as a human he said owned her life second.

Brother baby man liar theist misplaced our natural mother's human presence said she was space womb zero maths.

Man adult first theories maths science second.

Mother sister daughter human displaced.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

In Judges 16:23, the Philistine god Dagon is called “Elohim” by his pagan worshippers. But Dagon wasn’t a ‘multi god’. He was simply viewed, by the Philistines, as supreme.

Hence, the use of Elohim does not mean “more than one” by default.

To say that, is ignoring the usage of the term.

And muddies the meaning of Deuteronomy 6:4-5...
And Jesus applied vs.5 to his Father alone.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

that was then, God is no longer a mystery when he manifested in flesh. so all those old name are useless, put them in the garbage. listen carefully, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I." and that term "shall" is a future tense designation which was fulfilled when he Manifested in Flesh. scripture, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
so There is no more need for the TERM "GOD" as in identification as to who it is..... it has been revealed who God is... "JESUS"/"EYSHUA".
now this Plurality of JESUS, "GOD" is understood in the Ordinal designation of First/Father, (Spirit), and Last/Son, (Flesh).
PICJAG, 101G.

Hello again.

If by saying “I am” Jesus revealed that he was God, and the Jews knew that, then the Sanhedrin would have accused Jesus of saying that, at his trial. But they didn’t! None of the Gospel records says Jesus was accused of that! Not even the false witnesses said that.


So Jesus’ use of the phrase “I am” to indicate Godship, isn’t supported by the context. It doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

So, your response is to quote from the false prophet Paul. Well, that would be fine for those with a false hope, who are on a wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13), but for someone trying to escape "death", it would be more appropriate to switch to righteousness, versus, embracing lawlessness. (EZ 33:17-19).
The "house of Israel", the lost sheep of the house of Israel, includes 10 tribes after the breakup of Israel and Judah. The tribe of Yeshua was the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Saul was the tribe of Benjamin, which became part of the house of Judah. Saul was apparently possessed by a demon, and his life ended badly. King David was of the house of Judah but has his own "house" (Zech 12:10), and after the "nations/Gentiles" are destroyed (Zechariah 12:9-10), the LORD will pour out the Spirit of grace and supplication upon the "inhabitants of Jerusalem".

I’m sorry, but I can’t accept Paul as a false Apostle.
If that were true, God wouldn’t have kept Paul’s 14 letters in His Word!

 

[2ndpillar]

I’m sorry, but I can’t accept Paul as a false Apostle.
If that were true, God wouldn’t have kept Paul’s 14 letters in His Word!

While Yeshua protected the "tares", and the tare seed, which is the message of the enemy/devil (Matthew 13:24-30), which was planted alongside the message of the son of man (Matthew 13:37-39), he did not present the canon submitted by Athanasius in 367 A.D. That was established upon the authority of the Roman government by way of the power of the Roman emperor Constantine, and their state organized religion, the Roman Catholic church. Paul was simply the "shepherd" named "Favor" of Zechariah 11:10, who was taken by the Lord God, to pasture the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7), which would be the church of Peter and Paul, the "Christian" church. Peter would be the 2nd shepherd indicated in Zechariah 11:17, as the "worthless shepherd" who would not feed, care or tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16). Constantine would be the beast with two horns like a lamb (Rev 13) whereas Peter and Paul would be the two horns like a lamb, being as they are portrayed as Christlike.

 

[101G]

Hello again.

If by saying “I am” Jesus revealed that he was God, and the Jews knew that, then the Sanhedrin would have accused Jesus of saying that, at his trial. But they didn’t! None of the Gospel records says Jesus was accused of that! Not even the false witnesses said that.


So Jesus’ use of the phrase “I am” to indicate Godship, isn’t supported by the context. It doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for the reply, second, did not the Lord Jesus on may occasions say that he is God? not just saying "That I AM", but many statement also. notice it was the Jews, common, but the Sanhedrin court was very smart. they had seen how the Lord Jesus has put them to rest before, so I'm sure at at his trial, they wanted to advoid any miscaculations, and even there they still messed up..

examples of some of his statements. John 10:31 "Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him." John 10:32 "Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?"John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:35 "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;" John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? " John 10:37 "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not." John 10:38 "But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:39 "Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,"
or this should have gotten him in hot water, John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." or this one, John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

exactly why they did,'t used any of these saying? as with the "I AM" you will have to ask them. only speculation is in order there.

as for as what the Lord Jesus said, he was true. no speculate there.

all his statement points to his plurality as this topic states, and points out.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

While Yeshua protected the "tares", and the tare seed, which is the message of the enemy/devil (Matthew 13:24-30), which was planted alongside the message of the son of man (Matthew 13:37-39), he did not present the canon submitted by Athanasius in 367 A.D. That was established upon the authority of the Roman government by way of the power of the Roman emperor Constantine, and their state organized religion, the Roman Catholic church. Paul was simply the "shepherd" named "Favor" of Zechariah 11:10, who was taken by the Lord God, to pasture the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7), which would be the church of Peter and Paul, the "Christian" church. Peter would be the 2nd shepherd indicated in Zechariah 11:17, as the "worthless shepherd" who would not feed, care or tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16). Constantine would be the beast with two horns like a lamb (Rev 13) whereas Peter and Paul would be the two horns like a lamb, being as they are portrayed as Christlike.

I cannot agree with your statement. the apostle Paul is not a false prophet, nor a false apostle, nor Peter. both preached what the Lord Jesus preached.

now if you have any evidence where they preached contradictory to this subject or topic here in this OP, please post it. meaning stay on subject of this OP.
thanks in advance.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

A point ....you can finger point and say "criminal". The human did it.
A point....I think I made my point known.
A point...a tip. I told you that you lied.

As humans aren't....a mountain point∆.

Statement I think said one man the inventor creator of humans science.

Leader.

I agree said men. Leadership. His status the point.

I theoried the point...mountain. I built the pyramid not a point with God

The point...my science isn't with God. As it was never a mountain.

A mountain natural is with God.
A human natural is with God.
Thinker said hence I lived naturally with the law God.

Science never was with God.

The point. Detailed by words first as a human is first thinking theories second.

Point. Father as a man said he owned his presence first.
Mother as a human he said owned her life second.

Brother baby man liar theist misplaced our natural mother's human presence said she was space womb zero maths.

Man adult first theories maths science second.

Mother sister daughter human displaced.

only one thing to note: you said, "Science never was with God". we must disagree, because SCIENCE, that's TRUE SCIENCE is GOD, see 1 Timothy 6:20.
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

there is no such thing as blind FAITH, maybe of the user, but Faith sees very well, even in the "DARK"... (smile). PICJAG, 101G.

Sure there is blind faith it is called: credulity. A credulous faith.
Believing something too quickly or without logical reason for one's belief.
Perhaps we could say one's real faith 'sees through the dark' to the growing spiritual light of day - Proverbs 4:18
Just a thought.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The eternal never changed being eternal.
Always existed.
Always had existed.
Always will exist.






Will we define as personal by type body.

A creator hence has to exist somewhere.

Meaning a being as beings are in a place that could cause a change. First.

Hence you have to be present a being motivated to cause change.

Then change itself can be described by a question why then how. Needing motivation choice. Otherwise it wouldn't change.

We knew why ..we never knew how.

As it had always existed.

Space was burnt out eternal why it is only a thin plane. O separated held sound bodies from the eternal.

Thin infinite plane stretches to whatever extent. Surrounds all burnt bodies and holds scattered bodies.

Hence eternal has a hole in its own body. Created creation.

So you ask what happened.

Father explained.

The eternal beings live inside the eternal body. Why it remains.

The third position change was it's language spirit. Which instead of flowing was forced held in one place. Why created creation is a fixed held hold then hole where it burst.

Language was a separate being that became the God angel.

Proven in creation as Satan God speaks and is heard.

Created creation was imaged only in a Fixed form. As image produces fixed form. So it's not first as image. Otherwise fixed form couldn't exist.

It was a cause effect.

As eternal communication flowed through everything first. It was whole.

Now it's created changed body is creation.

So to time change is by term rebelling. A sun. That consumes and never time shifted anywhere. Burning light.

We don't time shift either we are greater creating first ovary sperm baby toddler teenager younger healthier forming. Adult is fixed then ages dies.
We go one way into destruction as the proof we left the eternal ourselves.
Our mother owned an eternal being came out second. Proving all changed beings were in the eternal body first left separately.
Why two of every one proves it came from a place communicating back and forth creating change to its own spirit.
As we came back into life returned we knew we had been involved in earths human total life destruction before. Men dug up the evidence knowing they had to prove the scientist man wrong.
As dinosaurs lived in the nature garden first is another proof.
The bible said life eviction out of the garden was by human choice to look at the theme flooded earth naked earth and RA radiation causes. Sun.
Set alight burnt destroyed all life.
Looking back the new human science theist was told the story by Satan's God angel speaking voice that told him his human brother caused it.
The machine scientist who encoded speaking voices.
The story says God Satan had been asleep given peace.
It is proof men know and knew... are aware of destruction. Revel in the desire to over lord and cause suffering by personality disorder.
Self idolate as a God man of science brother to brother. Who took natural love mother father into his desire to convert nature.

Yes, and I find God is eternal according to Psalms 90:2 because God is 'from and to' everlasting.
Unless God gives or grants immortality to another then His creation is Not eternal unless obedient.
In other words, for the most part both angels and humans are mortals because they can die.
God gifted Jesus with immortality because of Jesus' faithful sinless death - John 5:26

 

[2ndpillar]

I cannot agree with your statement. the apostle Paul is not a false prophet, nor a false apostle, nor Peter. both preached what the Lord Jesus preached.

now if you have any evidence where they preached contradictory to this subject or topic here in this OP, please post it. meaning stay on subject of this OP.
thanks in advance.

PICJAG, 101G.

As for on topic, I was responding to your post. As for there being a "plurality" with respect to the "first and the last", good luck with that. The alpha and the omega is for the same son of man. Yeshua preached the kingdom of God, whereas the "wicked", the lawless, are thrown into the furnace of fire at the end of the age (Matthew 13:49-50), whereas Paul, the foremost of sinners, who according to Romans 7:18, had nothing good within him, taught that you are saved by believing what the demons already know, and that the law of God had been nailed to a cross. Peter was simply the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, in which Yeshua said he was "Satan" and a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19). The church of Peter and Paul, the Christian church, declares that there is a Trinity of gods, which is not what Yeshua preached. He prayed to his father, and taught others to do the same. Praying to multiple gods, and making a sign of the pagan cross, a trinity of gods, is a "Christian" thing, which stems from the Council of Nicaea, which was convened and chaired by the Roman Emperor Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb, who built basilica's for both Peter and Paul, in which Peter's basilica was rebuilt on the money widows paid to the church for the sins of their dead husbands. If you are a Protestant, apparently Luther, and the Reformers, had some objection to that.

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, and I find God is eternal according to Psalms 90:2 because God is 'from and to' everlasting.
Unless God gives or grants immortality to another then His creation is Not eternal unless obedient.
In other words, for the most part both angels and humans are mortals because they can die.
God gifted Jesus with immortality because of Jesus' faithful sinless death - John 5:26

Not quite in line with the narrative laid out by Yeshua. When the angel, called the devil, is thrown into the lake of fire, he apparently will "be tormented day and night forever and ever", which seems as long as "eternal". Plus, he was locked up in the abyss for 1000 years beforehand.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

God, the Lord Jesus, came in flesh.....

So, God “came in the flesh”?

John said, “no one has seen God at any time.” John 1:18.
Thousands of people saw Jesus. Therefore, Jesus can’t be God.

I’m sorry but the interpretations you’re offering, contradict the Scriptures.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

These are reasonable questions. I’m sure you’d agree, though, that I t’s important to always consider who is talking, along with the Bible’s entire context, and all of Jesus’statements.

John 10:31 "Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him." John 10:32 "Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?"John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

Well, who is speaking here? Not Jesus. It was the Jews, antagonists to Jesus. I wouldn’t have taken their word for anything! At John 8:52, they also claimed Jesus had “a demon.”

BTW, that phrase “making thyself God”, can also grammatically be translated, “making thyself a god.” Which would agree with the Sanhedrin proceedings, where making the claim that Jesus called himself “God”, is missing.

John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:35 "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;" John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

He claimed, not to be God, but “the Son of God.” Sons have a beginning. Genesis 6:1-4 refers to angels as “sons of God.” Even Adam, at Luke 3:38, is specifically called “son of God.”

if the Bible writers wanted to indicate an equality between God & Jesus, they would have called them ‘brothers.’ But they didn’t.

John 10:37 "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not." John 10:38 "But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:39 "Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,"

Again, let’s use context to understand this properly: how is Jesus “in” his Father, and the Father “in” him? At John 17:21, in Jesus’ prayer to His Father, he asked that his followers “may be in us.”
So are Jesus’ followers, God? Obviously not! He meant in the sense of unity.

or this should have gotten him in hot water, John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

As in, the same? This would contradict John 14:28, “The Father is greater than I am.” Again, context....John 17:22. See above.

or this one, John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

In Hebrews 1, Jesus is called “the exact representation” of God. (Other Scriptures describe him similarly.) He’s just like His Dad. But an “exact representation” is still not the real thing. My son is just like me...but he’s not me.



Take care, my cousin...wishing the best to you and yours.

 

[rational experiences]

Yes, and I find God is eternal according to Psalms 90:2 because God is 'from and to' everlasting.
Unless God gives or grants immortality to another then His creation is Not eternal unless obedient.
In other words, for the most part both angels and humans are mortals because they can die.
God gifted Jesus with immortality because of Jesus' faithful sinless death - John 5:26

Scientists want it to be real.

A human thinks first or have you forgotten what theism is brother? No science first just created creation.

Your words you claimed holy. Your words said I wanted to personally return to eternal by machine I build time shifting burnt us all to death. A long time ago.

You were proven lying.

Time shift is nuclear is a physical body removal by radiating mass converting it. Suck up levitation that moved bodies. Now tornados.

Is Satan's science RA thesis not any eternal ever. You just claim it means the same just because you want to.

All said first by ideas only and wants. Outcomes causes. Life attacked. You summarised your self deceit.

Did Jesus own the eternal first as no creation and no Jesus? As no creation?

No says any intelligent human.

The argument eternal is infinite yet the eternal is just the eternal.

Jesus proved you wrong...man went into cloud image only.

Was cloud and images first?

No.

All lies.

Jesus was a man?

Not in reality as Jesus the man is a no name equal. In creation man equals man.

Man first. Men die. They still own one self never in creation as in eternal spirit. Conscious belief conscious status only. Talking. No proof it's real only believed.

As a rational human I always said it is only my belief. I won't know until it occurs actually. At human death only.

AI owns image caused so scientists today as machine owners and not spiritual thinkers ever make images in clouds themselves. Not eternal as you only wanted to own it not as a human yet want it first as a human.

Machines aren't not present either. Yet seemingly you tried to overheat blow up remove what wasn't there first either. As a Jesus theme yourselves.

Bio life did get attacked scientists. As ground mass disappeared into sin K hole. So of course so would a machine as a pretend Jesus thesis.

You really should stop lying.

Jesus proved your advice to self was wrong. No man is God the verdict.

It was a summarised review of a human want first to thesis. All effects. Then causes. To conclude the human theist just human should never have practiced his sciences.

No man is God verdict.