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[Vinayaka]

That is the issue when a new system is given, people tend to put it in a bag they can identify with.

I quote from a blog post.

"When people first encounter the Baha’i teachings and start to study them, this emphasis on the eradication of poverty might lead them to think that Baha’is advocate a traditional socialistic approach – but that would be a mistake."

Are Baha’is Capitalists or Socialists?

So if you choose that is one explanation. There are hundreds more.

Regards Tony

But you already know I can't trust quotes from a Baha'i blog. Why not try to find a quote from a non-Baha'i blog? I doubt that you read my linked article, but points 2 3 and 4 were practically identical to what you said earlier. It's also curious that you didn't mention the blog you quoted was a Baha'i blog. Are you trying to hide confirmation bias?

I'll do some further research on your behalf. Maybe you're right.

 

[rational experiences]

Human his story owns any humans review now I can look back...I see man's evils.

Only a conscious man self developed where he is now and says and so now I have learnt. Know the laws of science about created presence are real. Present presence is law gift.

As taught not to be broken. As we also justified our evil brothers agreed behaviours of injustice.

Star fall brain changed mind aware conditions proven. Wrong minds warned minds aware minds.

And life human always existed on earth first. But due to mans science law breaking of gods term...fusion. greatest highest any all substance forms stated.... all one as diverse yet mutual.

Equal as it's present as presence now.

As science said I look back. Yet the star came to earth as back form mass not of earth. Science wisdom.

So he never needed to look anywhere as he had been taught. Suns stone was evil. It changed him. He agreed with biological change possessed by the advice...science to convert earth mass.

Pretty basic.

Our two parents were first. No argument. Jesus terms was about a baby man's history. DNA presence sacrificed murdered by man of science..... due to volcanic mass thesis.

Is an old human realisation. About science. Stories taught themed.

Hence as science began on baby mans self adult idolisation status it is the topic. Advised why.

Son of gods Inheritor only a spirit theme...stating why no man is God.

As man only caused cloud mass flooding. Increased extra heavens body mass gain above as body cloud mass. To save life below burning.

Men hence said I invented extra cloud mass. Therefore knew they did it. But invented it above where all the detail is theoried.

They hadn't Invented it as a pretend heaven inside a machine.

Man proves he is scientific possessed by his own choices is humans science warning men who cause evil by not being honest...no man is God.

Man said I changed I now developed healed.

 

[CG Didymus]

I was speaking to someone that asked about the capital side of economics, without supplying all available information, which people have often said we give to much. I also offered the Law that said we are to replace our household goods every 19 years at least, if we have the means.

Regards Tony

I guess I have to get rid of my grandmother's armoire. But with TV's and computers can we change them out sooner?

 

[CG Didymus]

And what's a good word to describe that law? Anti-homosexual sex law?

No, that is your choice of words. God is not Bias, the Laws have wisdoms many are yet to contemplate.

A good description is a Law, given of God.

With God's Laws, we have free will to accept and submit, or not accept and acknowledge the applicable sanctions, or penalties will be applicable, or not pay any attention to them at all.

But the law is not pro-homosexuality, so anti-homosexuality fits very well. But I know... it sounds so negative.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why in the world would you want to replace something that is in perfectly good shape? Just because some Law says you should? Stainless steel, china, and porcelain have a shelf life of 19 years?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But you already know I can't trust quotes from a Baha'i blog. Why not try to find a quote from a non-Baha'i blog? I doubt that you read my linked article, but points 2 3 and 4 were practically identical to what you said earlier. It's also curious that you didn't mention the blog you quoted was a Baha'i blog. Are you trying to hide confirmation bias?

I'll do some further research on your behalf. Maybe you're right.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But the law is not pro-homosexuality, so anti-homosexuality fits very well. But I know... it sounds so negative.

If that is the way people like describe laws, yes it is a negative context.

Then they will see the law is Anti Murder, Anti Theft etc.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

I did do some further research on socialism. I spent 20 or so minutes browsing around, looking for non-Baha'i sources. I didn't find much, because very little is written about the Baha'i faith by non-Bahais.

 

[rational experiences]

The history temple built on mountain.

To use clouds mass to cool transmitters isn't a cloud mass theory.

They used it...clouds aren't on the ground so they blew up temple and pyramid.

They also made face mountain disintegrate.

The sun mass hit Ararat as a melt.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I did do some further research on socialism. I spent 20 or so minutes browsing around, looking for non-Baha'i sources. I didn't find much, because very little is written about the Baha'i faith by non-Bahais.

That would be because no one else would have yet written on a system that is yet to be within and outside the Baha'i Faith.

One has to have read what Baha'u'llah offered to see that it is neither a socialist nor a capitalist system, but a combination of the best they have to offer, as it also combines the restraints of spiritual virtues.

It is a spiritual solution to the economic issues. Many Baha'is have written on this topic, as we try to envisage what needs to be implemented, in a system that will guide our livelihoods.

This collates many thoughts.

Rethinking Business and the Economy based on Spiritual Principles | International Environment Forum

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

But the law is not pro-homosexuality, so anti-homosexuality fits very well.

If that is the way people like describe laws,

What word do you prefer to describe the Baha'i law that forbids homosexuality? You don't like "anti". You don't like homophobic. What is a good word? To just say, "It is forbidden"?

 

[CG Didymus]

That would be because no one else would have yet written on a system that is yet to be within and outside the Baha'i Faith.

One has to have read what Baha'u'llah offered to see that it is neither a socialist nor a capitalist system, but a combination of the best they have to offer, as it also combines the restraints of spiritual virtues.

It is a spiritual solution to the economic issues. Many Baha'is have written on this topic, as we try to envisage what needs to be implemented, in a system that will guide our livelihoods.

This collates many thoughts.

Rethinking Business and the Economy based on Spiritual Principles | International Environment Forum

Regards Tony

"The owners of properties, mines and factories should share their incomes with their employees and give a fairly certain percentage of their products to their workingmen..."

There are some jobs that nobody really wants. One way to keep people working on those jobs is to keep them so poor that they have to keep working. To pay them more would raise costs, since the people on the bottom would make enough to live well, then those up the line would also want and need more to maintain their standard of living. But the people on the bottom would still be on the bottom and making less than everybody else. And since costs would go up, the cost of living would also go up.

But who really wants to do those jobs, even if they can make enough money?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What word do you prefer to describe the Baha'i law that forbids homosexuality? You don't like "anti". You don't like homophobic. What is a good word? To just say, "It is forbidden"?

There is no greater explanation than a "God given Law".

God = All-Knowing, All-Wise, All-Loving, All-Glorious, All-Just, All-Compassionate, etc

To the Law of God is all of those attributes.

The law is the light unto a dark world.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But who really wants to do those jobs, even if they can make enough money?

Offer those jobs at a fair pay where people can survive with their families in many countries of the world and my guess us you could not employ all the applied for the jobs.

There is a Australian movie called Kenny. Maybe you can watch that to see how people embrace jobs that others see as demeaning.

All work, done in the Spirit of serving humanity, is worship in the Baha'i Faith. What a bounty God has given us.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

There is no greater explanation than a "God given Law".

God = All-Knowing, All-Wise, All-Loving, All-Glorious, All-Just, All-Compassionate, etc

To the Law of God is all of those attributes.

The law is the light unto a dark world.

Regards Tony

But there is another explanation. The man proclaiming that it is God's law is mistaken. In the past God supposedly made it a capital offence. Why did God change his mind now? That's why I think it is very possible these laws were made by the anti-gay, anti-sex, conservative religious leaders.

In Baha'u'llah's time what would be the most logical thing to say about homosexuality? It would be to radical for him to say it was "okay". But now, that is not a radical stance to take. To be anti-gay is the radical stance to take. So, defend it... With something more than the old, "God said so"? And that the unknowable God is never wrong and never biased. Because it wasn't necessarily God that made this law. It was a man claiming he speaks for God.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no greater explanation than a "God given Law".

God = All-Knowing, All-Wise, All-Loving, All-Glorious, All-Just, All-Compassionate, etc

To the Law of God is all of those attributes.

The law is the light unto a dark world.

Regards Tony

But there is another explanation. The man proclaiming that it is God's law is mistaken. In the past God supposedly made it a capital offence. Why did God change his mind now? That's why I think it is very possible these laws were made by the anti-gay, anti-sex, conservative religious leaders.

In Baha'u'llah's time what would be the most logical thing to say about homosexuality? It would be to radical for him to say it was "okay". But now, that is not a radical stance to take. To be anti-gay is the radical stance to take. So, defend it... With something more than the old, "God said so"? And that the unknowable God is never wrong and never biased. Because it wasn't necessarily God that made this law. It was a man claiming he speaks for God.

I would just answer with the same reply CG.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Offer those jobs at a fair pay where people can survive with their families in many countries of the world

Yes, right now there are people that are that desperate that they'd take some horrible, demeaning job just to get some money to survive. But in a future world, where all people can get a good education and can have an equal opportunity to get better jobs, where are you going to find those people that are willing to do the "dirty" jobs? And how much is "fair" pay for those jobs?

 

[rational experiences]

I guess I have to get rid of my grandmother's armoire. But with TV's and computers can we change them out sooner?

My granddaughter in her bedroom at my house has an amputee...I was writing amoire nowhere near that word.

If lying evil men with machines transmit and cause heavens images themselves then they already knew machines caused it as machines.

So why do you lie?

The answer is they knew it hurt biology...always knew. They want to do it is termed lying.

Lying means you get totally informed but ignore most of the advice. Just as the bible said our human brother never listened to his father's holy advice.

Holy by legal human term a teaching said are not allowed to change its law.

 

[rational experiences]

Basic advice.

If a machine puts false images into our heavens.

Natural human parents life recorded it's conscious memory.

If machines put images where they don't belong wouldn't your consciousness prove its self explanation is no longer true to origin parent images. Genetalia to two of one species?

Of course it would be the exact reason why.

If you were a man by DNA you are by chemical hormones.

Your image recorded tells you back.

If it is interfered with you'd lose your mind ability of self recognition.

As consciousness is our heavens and science told legally never change it.

Pretty basic human advice.

As it is changed it's why our biology is so sick. We are all meant to be healthy.

When baby child demonstrates the behaviour is a true warning as they are sexually innocent.

 

[Aupmanyav]

But in a future world, where all people can get a good education and can have an equal opportunity to get better jobs, where are you going to find those people that are willing to do the "dirty" jobs?

Science has mechanized many these 'dirty jobs' and will mechanize more such in future. Education will not end the need for such jobs. We will always need the roads and sewers to be cleaned.