The Power Of Circular Reasoning

[JJ50]

The existence of the supernatural is proven by the fact that we all constantly have to make choices between good and evil - choices that have nothing to do with our survival or prosperity; are, in fact, spiritual (i.e. supernatural) choices.

That doesn't prove the supernatural exists.

 

[Kenny]

Did I claim my religion/worldview is the only source of true happiness? If so, then please, call me out.

Did I say you said your claim was the only true source of happiness.... if so, please, call me out.

 

[sooda]

. Yes... floods are always slow, especially when they carry so much silt.

Good.. There is a thick deposit of silt in the Euphrates River Basin, but not elsewhere.

 

[Kenny]

Good.. There is a thick deposit of silt in the Euphrates River Basin, but not elsewhere.

Only if you view things myopically.

"the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days."

 

[sooda]

Only if you view things myopically.

"the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days."

LOLOL.. The chalk cliffs aren't flood sediment. They are plankton skeletons laid down over millions of years.

Who taught you such garbage?

 

[Kenny]

LOLOL.. The chalk cliffs aren't flood sediment. They are plankton skeletons laid down over millions of years.

Who taught you such garbage?

Well, with you to help, we can all be at ease and sleep better.

 

[sooda]

Well, with you to help, we can all be at ease and sleep better.

You should be embarrassed.

What Makes the White Cliffs of Dover White? | USA Today
https://traveltips.usatoday.com/white-cliffs-dover-white-3309.html
Formation. The White Cliffs date back over 136 million years, having formed during the Cretaceous period in the Mesozoic era as the shells and skeletons of billions of tiny sea creatures fell to the bottom of the sea.

As the fragments settled over hundreds of thousands of years, they formed layers of chalk, or soft white limestone, that became the cliffs.

 

[JJ50]

More about the White Cliffs of Dover.
White Cliffs of Dover

 

[Left Coast]

God sent the Flood because people had become so evil that they were all going to Hell - to prevent that happening any further, God brought the curtain down on the show. This is called "being cruel to be kind."

This is entirely, 100% God's problem. He created Hell. He didnt have to do that.

"God is Love" (says the Bible), therefore God is Liberty, therefore has given us free will - WE are responsible for the evil in the world.

Nonsense. Having the power to cure terminal illness, or to prevent it, and not doing so is the height of immorality.

The Biblical statement "Love your neighbour as yourself" forbids slavery and genocide.

Evidently not, according to the Biblical authors.

Science helps us to understand nature - it has nothing to say about ethics.

That depends. If we can agree on the goal of ethics, science can absolutely help us evaluate actions to assess how ethical they are.

If God didn't exist, we would be of no more lasting significance than spiders - only God gives human history any meaning or purpose - Nature doesn't.

That is a sad commentary. We as humans give things meaning all the time. I don't need a deity to give my life, or the life of anyone I care about, significance.

 

[Left Coast]

The existence of the supernatural is proven by the fact that we all constantly have to make choices between good and evil - choices that have nothing to do with our survival or prosperity; are, in fact, spiritual (i.e. supernatural) choices.

That doesn't follow. The idea that we make choices that don't pertain directly to our survival or prosperity does not demonstrate that there is a reality beyond the natural world. The fact that I took 17 steps from my car to my front door when I could have taken 16 steps does not demonstrate the existence of God, or heaven, or hell, or anything else supernatural.

 

[Left Coast]

Did I say you said your claim was the only true source of happiness.... if so, please, call me out.

If I didn't claim that, then your comment was a non sequitur.

 

[Oeste]

A common claim:


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Sound reasoning or not?

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No more sound than another common claim:

If not, what does it imply about both the Bible and god?

Nothing. I think it implies a lot more about the writer than anything about the Bible or God.

If so, what does it imply about you?

Nothing, except perhaps a willingness to believe that circular text implies circular reasoning.

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[nPeace]

A common claim:


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Sound reasoning or not? If not, what does it imply about both the Bible and god?
............................................If so, what does it imply about you?

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Never heard this reasoning before.
It must not be very common.
It's not sound reasoning though, and since the Bible nor God didn't say it, it doesn't say anything about them.
I didn't say it, so it says nothing about me either.

 

[nPeace]

Thank you. I, in fact, did create it. I used a program called CSSWRAP.

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Ohhhhh. No wonder it's so common when it clearly is not.

 

[stvdv]

Thank you. I, in fact, did create it. I used a program called CSSWRAP.

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Good to hear ... glad I gave you "Winner" ... It's really a nice OP and I don't understand why others find it negative
You just pose 3 questions, and if others don't like the answers that pop up in their mind ... that is their problem
They should not blame you for their own "inconvenient" answers

 

[Skwim]

That God exists, is proved by the fact that the universe exists.

Then your basis of proof is sorely in need of revision.

That Christianity is true, is proved by the fact that witnesses of Jesus's Resurrection died for their belief in it - e.g. Simon Peter, James.

Then your basis of proof is sorely in need of revision.

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[PoetPhilosopher]

Never heard this reasoning before.
It must not be very common.
It's not sound reasoning though, and since the Bible nor God didn't say it, it doesn't say anything about them.
I didn't say it, so it says nothing about me either.

Actually, he was trying to point out a semi-common fallacy. Whether he gets attacked or not on the subject, doesn't change the fact that he was not the originator of this idea.

 

[Skwim]

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No more sound than another common claim:

'Taint common at all.

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The major difference being that while millions assert "The Bible is true because god says so," and "god is true because the Bible says so" I've never heard anyone assert "There is no god because the Bible's not true," or "the bible's not true because there's no god." And I sincerely doubt you have either.

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[stvdv]

I think blind faith is bad and should be avoided

If I would call something bad then it would be "others imposing on me what I should or should not do and what is good/bad for me"

If someone wants to believe blind, I am totally senang with that ... belief is just what one thinks ... some mumbo jumbo in one's mind

When "mind" is put in "word" or in "action" then of course other rules apply ... But I don't expect people to control their mind

 

[nPeace]

Actually, he was trying to point out a semi-common fallacy. Whether he gets attacked or not on the subject, doesn't change the fact that he was not the originator of this idea.

I do not understand how that is relevant to what I said.
Besides, I attacked no one, and he did admit "I, in fact, did create it. I used a program called CSSWRAP."
It appears the phrases were made up as well.
I never heard it before, and I don't know of anyone that uses it.
Come on. No one reasons that lame.