The Power to Love

[Fool]

if self can recognize the limitations of the ego, then self can discover one's true nature in loving unconditionally?

 

[dybmh]

if self can recognize the limitations of the ego, then self can discover one's true nature in loving unconditionally?

yes

 

[Quintessence]

Why would one's true nature be loving unconditionally? Don't different humans have different natures? Shouldn't this go more like:

If one can recognize the limitations of the ego and the self, one can discover one's inevitable dependency upon others?

 

[dybmh]

Why would one's true nature be loving unconditionally?

That's not what he said.

... can discover one's true nature IN loving unconditionally?

one's true nature be loving unconditionally?

Not "be".

 

[sun rise]

if self can recognize the limitations of the ego, then self can discover one's true nature in loving unconditionally?

I don't think it works that simply. First there a feeling of dissatisfaction then the realization that it comes from egoic limitations, then a struggle to dissolve the prison of the ego and to give oneself to love.

Recently I watched "Babylon 5: The Road Home" where I found this wonderful statement written by J. Michael Straczynski, who is an atheist:

In all realities,
all universes,
the everything of everything,
there is no greater force than love.
Tearing apart is easy.
Destruction and hate are easy,
which is why they do not endure.
What love knits together
can never be torn asunder.
The universe itself
and all things within it
bend to that power.

And as we "bend" to the power of love, we automatically help others.

 

[osgart]

If ego is arrogance then that character trait is blinded, or worse knowingly contrary to love. However being an individual self is a precious uniqueness. Self love is not ego.

Since evil is totally unnatural, foolish, and not supposed to exist, unconditional love would be the default natural way of existing were there no evil. Unconditional love will always seek to help the other no matter their circumstance, or shortcomings so long as the other is no evil person.

There is no loving that which is firmly dead set against love. Go ahead and try it. A false accuser, who murders those of good will. What love is there for that kind of person?

The best I can answer that is that though a person be evil, one has love for the soul, and not it's choice of am nature. This kind of love would seek the redemption of the evil nature, by any necessary means. By justice deserved perhaps.

 

[Fool]

I don't think it works that simply. First there a feeling of dissatisfaction then the realization that it comes from egoic limitations, then a struggle to dissolve the prison of the ego and to give oneself to love.

Recently I watched "Babylon 5: The Road Home" where I found this wonderful statement written by J. Michael Straczynski, who is an atheist:

In all realities,
all universes,
the everything of everything,
there is no greater force than love.
Tearing apart is easy.
Destruction and hate are easy,
which is why they do not endure.
What love knits together
can never be torn asunder.
The universe itself
and all things within it
bend to that power.

And as we "bend" to the power of love, we automatically help others.

because the beast(ego) is associated to a form and not an everlasting action?

and even the beast will bow to it at some point? beauty and the beast? and will be tormented by drowning in the ocean of love?

no one knows the real value of something until they spend time struggling for it?


“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall [f]bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”


so we know that god instilled the spirit, or breath of life into the clay. so like the serpent, man will have to eat of the dust, the ground.

unless they intuit the part that gave them life and sustained their eternal self? it's a gut feeling that becomes a physical realization?

as the naassene psalm alludes to the elusion

The Law of Universal Genesis was the first born nous; the second, Chaos shed by the firstborn. The third was received by the soul [.....]
Clad in the shape of a hind She [Sophia] is worn away with death's slavery.
Now She has mastery and glimpses light: now She is plunged in misery and weeps.
Now She is mourned, and her self rejoices. Now she weeps and is finally condemned.
Now She is condemned and finally dies.
And now She reaches the point where hemmed in by evil, She knows no way out. Misled, She has entered a labyrinth.
Then Jesus said, "Behold, Father, she wanders the earth pursued by evil. Far from thy Breath she is going astray. She is trying to flee bitter Chaos, and does not know how she is to escape. Send me forth, O Father, therefore, and I, bearing the seal shall descend and wander all Aeons through, all mysteries reveal. I shall manifest the forms of the gods and teach them the secrets of the holy way which I call Gnosis [.....]"

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[Fool]

If ego is arrogance then that character trait is blinded, or worse knowingly contrary to love. However being an individual self is a precious uniqueness. Self love is not ego.

Since evil is totally unnatural, foolish, and not supposed to exist, unconditional love would be the default natural way of existing were there no evil. Unconditional love will always seek to help the other no matter their circumstance, or shortcomings so long as the other is no evil person.

There is no loving that which is firmly dead set against love. Go ahead and try it. A false accuser, who murders those of good will. What love is there for that kind of person?

The best I can answer that is that though a person be evil, one has love for the soul, and not it's choice of am nature. This kind of love would seek the redemption of the evil nature, by any necessary means. By justice deserved perhaps.

the beast(ego) love's itself. it understands(sees) only darkness and seeks love without the light. it want's to be god(love) and wants adoration but to be one with the absolute the ego(beast) must let go of the carnal form, the formed and become something that it opposes as unformed. it doesn't recognize in ALL. there is a duality and it can only exist as an ego in that duality. oneness doesn't allow for otherness

 

[Fool]

Why would one's true nature be loving unconditionally? Don't different humans have different natures? Shouldn't this go more like:

If one can recognize the limitations of the ego and the self, one can discover one's inevitable dependency upon others?

form follows function and not function form........................there is nothing solid, fixed. everything is evolving changing. this eternal action, physical movement, journey, is both a physical and conscious thing. both light and dark matter were created from the same thing.

We are always running for the thrill of it, thrill of it
Always pushing up the hill, searching for the thrill of it
On and on and on we are calling out, out again
Never looking down, I'm just in awe of what's in front of me
Is it real now?
Two people become one
I can feel it
Two people become one
Thought I'd never see
The love you found in me
Now it's changing all the time
Living in a rhythm where the minute's working overtime

 

[TransmutingSoul]

if self can recognize the limitations of the ego, then self can discover one's true nature in loving unconditionally?

Yes. This reminded me of a story of a person looking for his long lost true love, the story is found in a mystical work of the Seven and 4 Valleys of Baha’u’llah and how in all his suffering and anguish, this was actually pointing him in the direction of his long lost true love.

This is an extract about when we enter....

"....THE VALLEY OF LOVE and be consumed in the fire of love. In this city the heaven of rapture is upraised, and the world-illuming sun of yearning shineth, and the fire of love is set ablaze; and when the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason.
Now is the wayfarer oblivious of himself, and of aught besides himself. He seeth neither ignorance nor knowledge, neither doubt nor certitude; he knoweth not the morn of guidance from the night of error. He fleeth from both unbelief and faith, and findeth in deadly poison his heart’s relief..."

One has to let go of self/ego.

Regards Tony