Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not equate non-belief with evil.
The cause of evil is human failure to follow the Laws of God.
People are in prison is because they failed to follow God's Laws.
That is only loosely correlated to religious beliefs.
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The problem is evil solved?
- Thread starter Ignatius A
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The cause of evil is human failure to follow the Laws of God.
That is only loosely correlated to religious beliefs.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Because if god has the ability, the right thing to do is to stop starvation and child rape.
You said yourself that just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean they should.
Humans have not been able to stop these things. If god can then he should.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Ok, All I know is that I would stop child rape and starvation if I could and I think you would too. If god can stop these things he should.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said god is responsible to stop bank robbers. I think if god can stop child rape and starvation then he should do it. Not sure how that is controversial.If the police knew you were going to rob a particular bank, knew the time and means, they would be responsible if they did not stop it.
But that does not mean that if God knew you were going to rob a particular bank, knew the time and means, God would be responsible if God did not stop it. That is because the police are responsible to stop crimes but God is not responsible for stopping crimes.
To claim that God is responsible for stopping crimes would be the fallacy of false equivalence because God is not equivalent to human beings (the police) who are responsible for stopping crimes.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1] A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges".
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.[2] False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
False equivalence - Wikipedia
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is drop dead illogical since it is based on so many assumptions about God, what God can do, etc.
There are enough assumptions in that paragraph to sink a large ocean-liner.
But even if all those assumptions were true, it is still only your personal opinion that God would be responsible. It is not a fact.
God is not responsible for 'taking action' just because God knows what will happen and God has the power to stop it.
That is drop dead illogical.
What really makes your claims illogical is that you are talking about God as if God was a human being and that is the fallacy of false equivalence because God is not a human being so God does not 'take action.' That is so illogical that it is comical. God does not have behaviors because God is not a human or an animal.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1] A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges".
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.[2] False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
False equivalence - Wikipedia
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Evil was defined, a human concept created to explain the absence of God just like cold is a human concept created to explain the absence of heat.
No more subjective than cold and everyone accepts that
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I don't know what you mean by the absence of God.
Oh right...
And this means what?
Not interested so stop preaching
There are many other well respected translations that say the same thing. ASV, Douay-Rheims, ERV, Young's Literal Translation, Aramaic Bible in Plain English, JPS Tanakh 1917 are a few. Interesting that I've just noticed that it's the newer translations that are different and they don't agree what the word should translate as
What god? It's the bibles agenda. If it were not in the bible us good natured atheists wouldn't be pointing it out to religious bible denyers
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Cold is not cold is the absence of heat. Cold is what happens when heat is not present. Evil is what happens when God is not present.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
a.. That is only your personal opinion.
b. You do not know that God has the ability.
That is not what I said.
I said: Humans have the ability to stop starvation and child rape so why should God step in and stop them?
That argument does not fly. First, you do not even know if God can, and secondly, even know He can stop these things, then that would:
a. Mess up all the older in the world, and
b. Take the responsibility out of the hands of humans where it squarely lies.
God gave humans free will to choose between good and evil so it is a human responsibility to choose good and not evil.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It means it is in all the scriptures, including they Bible, the Qur'an, and the Baha'i scriptures. It might alos be in other scriptures but I can't say since I am not familiar with those scriptures.
No, you are not interested in anything but the Bible since you know how to pick it apart.
You cannot refute the Baha'i Writings so you are not interested.
Now you are blowing hot air.
Do you have anything else from the Bible that says that God created evil besides one verse, Isaiah 45:7?
Uh.... The Bible is not the only Book of God.
“…….. Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned….
That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
Koldo
Outstanding Member
We who?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Yes, it is my opinion that if god can stop starvation and child rape then he should.
Because human are not doing it.
That is why I am saying "if god has the ability". Do you agree that if god has the ability to stop child rape and starvation he should stop them?
I wouldn't even want to, they are just another modern prose to hook people into a new religion
Since when has truth (real factual truth) been hot air except when you can't refute it?
But the bible is the book we are discussing.
And again, not interested
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
If God could do that how do you imagine that would play out in real life?
I mean if God took over and did everything that humans are responsible to do humans would be off the hook for what God wants them to do
So what? It is still a human responsibility.
No, I do not agree because it is not God's responsibility to stop child rape and starvation. It is a human's responsibility.
I Am Hugh
Researcher
How cold is cold. 48°? Celius or Fahrenheit? May be cold to you but not to me. 48° may be cold but -48° is colder. How did you measure it? On a calibrated instrument? What is heat? Friction? What is the room temperature - cold or warm? If the room is cold to you does that mean an absence of heat? How much heat? Just more heat? etc.
The Bible says God created evil. What is the word God, which god? What is evil? According to whom? God is good to some, evil to others. So, if evil is according to man, is it according to God? If evil is subjective then man's sin, which is what man does, is evil to God, not man. In other words what we define as evil is our independence rather than separation from God. We were separate from God upon our creation. Our goal is to end that separation. How do we do that?
Discipline is evil.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
I'll assume for the sake of this discussion that you me and we are humans. We (humans) experience cold exist only as a concept in our minds. In the physical world it's only heat that exist. Thats what temperature measures, the presence of heat not cold.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I will let you know when I see some factual truth.
No, we were discussing whether God created evil.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Only in one verse, which has many other translations without the word evil.
