The Problem of Dualism in Atheism and Theism

[Fool]

In other words you CAN NOT provide a single example of consciousness existing without a physical brain. Thus all you are doing is making unsubstantiated claims.

Thanks for playing.

ignorance is a choice.





The Problem of Dualism in Atheism and Theism


The Problem of Dualism in Atheism and Theism

 

[QuestioningMind]

ignorance is a choice.





The Problem of Dualism in Atheism and Theism


The Problem of Dualism in Atheism and Theism

And you could cure me of that ignorance if you'd just provide a SINGLE example of CONSCIOUSNESS existing without a physical brain. But you either refuse to or you CAN'T. I'm leaning towards the you CAN'T option, because all you responded with was a claim that invertebrates have a nervous system. Just so you know, having a nervous system does NOT equate to possessing consciousness.

Care to try again?

 

[Fool]

And you could cure me of that ignorance if you'd just provide a SINGLE example of CONSCIOUSNESS existing without a physical brain. But you either refuse to or you CAN'T. I'm leaning towards the you CAN'T option, because all you responded with was a claim that invertebrates have a nervous system. Just so you know, having a nervous system does NOT equate to possessing consciousness.

Care to try again?

self denial and delusion are not mine to choose or even enforceable on another

 

[QuestioningMind]

self denial and delusion are not mine to choose or even enforceable on another

Yet you continue to choose self-denial and delusion by making unsubstantiated claims and refusing to provide any evidence to support them. Clearly if you had an example you would have provided it by now, instead of ignorantly suggesting that possessing a nervous system somehow equates to possessing consciousness.

Again, thanks for playing.

 

[Fool]

Yet you continue to choose self-denial and delusion by making unsubstantiated claims and refusing to provide any evidence to support them. Clearly if you had an example you would have provided it by now, instead of ignorantly suggesting that possessing a nervous system somehow equates to possessing consciousness.

Again, thanks for playing.

says the dualist

 

[QuestioningMind]

says the dualist

You can't provide any evidence so you resort to name calling? How childish and pathetic.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

if the universe is not conscious then self is not conscious. self is not greater than the universe.

'Greater'? Who said anything about 'greater'?

the reality is the observer isn't separate from the universe. you can't claim to know something about the universe while ignoring the observer who makes the claim and excludes the self that made it. this is what your typical dualist does. this is what you're doing.

You think I'm a dualist? You think most atheists are dualists? That is laughable. If you're going to throw rocks at us, stick to the broad-brush ones with at least some basis in fact.
The majority of atheists who care to examine such philosophies would subscribe to physicalism, in a philosophical sense. That's a monist theory. Not dualism.

Reality is the universe, self cannot be removed from it. cannot be exclusively objective about it. better to observe the observer than make such a claim of objective observance.

I'm claiming objective observance now?

self can't claim the universe isn't conscious because the observer can see parts of the universe is conscious. there is no way of knowing the whole universe is conscious because self would have to be able to control the universe, be greater than the universe, or be the universe, to know that. that isn't going to happen at a human level.

If you're suggesting that the universe contains a whole lot of stuff I don't know about, then I agree. I'd go further, and state that the universe is made up of a whole lot of stuff you don't know about either.

so yes, the universe is conscious on at least different levels given what we know about consciousness in its many forms on earth.

Different levels? So, are you a pluralist now?

 

[Irate State]

You will need to be more specific with your query please?

Yes, sorry. What I posted doesn't make any sense
Sorry I misread your entire Op.

 

[MNoBody]

ignorance is a choice.

not a choice for beasts. the programming does not allow for it.