Those are two different topics.
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The problem of evil; is it evidence for God's nonexistence?
- Thread starter firedragon
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Those are two different topics.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
No, they are not.
Is it alright to rape you if you are granted a forever reward just after?
No one has right to grant reward or punishment but God. God can't rape because he is an unseen being and won't even if he can. But he allows evil things and trials of people to occur through people including rape.
God will reward resilience to rape and will also reward people trying to prevent rape.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Why have you granted this right to God?
Because He is the Ultimate judge and the Lord of all and we belong to him.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
No.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Who gave him the right to be the ultimate judge?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Great! So you agree it is not alright to inflict suffering upon someone just to give a forever reward, right?
No one gave him the right, he has it. We simply recognize it.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I do not agree he is the ultimate judge. What now?
No I don't. But the way he afflicts suffering must be meaningful. It must never be due to God alone. Satan and his forces are a trial for believers, the misguidance they cause and oppression a trial. Believers being patient to all the afflictions they face for the sake of God and striving for his light and justice on earth, and resisting the oppressors, is going to be rewarded.
God creates the world, tries us by good and evil, and tries us by each other. He doesn't directly afflict afflictions, but rather, set up the world, so that the greater your faith is and greater you care for justice, the more you will suffer from the evil people.
He allowed disease, natural disasters, etc, as well, so people don't become arrogant and don't take life for granted.
You go to hell probably if you remain like that.
You've told us:
- God tried to create a perfect world.
- God misguides.
- God never wanted anyone to be misguided.
Exactly how could all three of these statements be true?
"You did not throw when you threw but God threw"
You did not throw
Contradicts
You threw
God threw is related how?
We can all play dumb or try to understand.
I'm not sure what this post has to do with my question.
It shows statements that seem contradicting don't have to be, if they are angled differently.
I'm not sure why I bothered. At this point, I should know better than to hope for an honest argument from you.
PureX
Veteran Member
Especially when it's someone else's "thing".
But it seems to be an obsession with some atheists. Positing an opinion is not the same as making a claim, no matter how it's being presented. And when it comes to the question of God's nature or existence, I don't see how anyone could consider anyone else's iterations anything but opinion. I mean, how could anyone make an actual claim in that regard apart from 'direct personal experience' which cannot be transferred to anyone else?
I realize people talk big, as though they know this and that, but I've never been able to take them seriously. Because "God" by any definition that I can logically ascribe to the term is beyond the realm of any human being's ability to grasp or verify.
As others have noted, this is not an argument that gods do not exist, just tri-omni interventionalist gods like the in the Abrahamic religions. But note that the atheist doesn't need this argument to justify his atheism. He needs a compelling argument to justify belief. Atheists aren't trying to disprove gods to theists. They are explaining why they don't believe.