The Problem of Paul for All Faiths/Outlooks

[Simplelogic]

The verse about tattoos does not specifically state the forbiddance is only for specific ceremonial markings. In fact, if I recall the verses, that is probably a separate command altogether, as tattoos and specific marks for ceremony are different things in that context. You can get 'pagan' tattoos that have magical meaning, but not ceremonial markings, vice-versa..
The beard law, I'll look it up.

'You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. Lev 19:28

The context is a pagan cult practice of honoring the dead by cutting oneself or making tattoo's.

 

[Desert Snake]

'You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. Lev 19:28

The context is a pagan cult practice of honoring the dead by cutting oneself or making tattoo's.

It also says, 'any tattoo marks'. The verse is talking about more than one thing. So where did you get the idea that some tattoos are 'ok', according to that?
That's the whole reason why I explained that there are different 'marking' methods being referred to here.

 

[Simplelogic]

Dude, it also says, 'any tattoo marks'. The verse is talking about more than one thing. So where did you get the idea that some tattoos are 'ok', according to that?
That's the whole reason why I explained that there are different 'marking' methods being referred to here.

Both cuts and tattoos are in reference to pagan cultic practices. This can be clearly understood by looking up the history behind these marks/tattoos. Men would cut themselves for the dead as well as get tattooed for the dead.

 

[Desert Snake]

'You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. Lev 19:28

The context is a pagan cult practice of honoring the dead by cutting oneself or making tattoo's.

The reason why it says "nor" there, is because it's making a distinction.

 

[Desert Snake]

Both cuts and tattoos are in reference to pagan cultic practices. This can be clearly understood by looking up the history behind these marks/tattoos. Men would cut themselves for the dead as well as get tattooed for the dead.

Nah, you're just assuming the second reference is just emphasizing the first. There are 'magic', 'cultural' tattoos that they would get that aren't part of the 'cutting' traditions.

 

[Simplelogic]

The reason why it says "nor" there, is because it's making a distinction.

Check the Hebrew

 

[Desert Snake]

Check the Hebrew

Yep, I'm going to check this verse. I need to look at a couple /actual/ books.

 

[Desert Snake]

@Simplelogic
Seems to be same in Hebrew. Basically, neither 'markings', or tattoos, in general.

 

[Simplelogic]

@Simplelogic
Seems to be same in Hebrew. Basically, neither 'markings', or tattoos, in general.

I'm not seeing it. The Hebrew does not have the word "nor". It is one statement.

Deut confirms my reading of Lev:

You are the children of the LORD your God. Do not cut yourselves or shave the front of your heads for the dead, Deut 14:1

This reiteration of the command makes it clear that the concept was about deterring Israelites from mimicking pagan traditions.

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not seeing it. The Hebrew does not have the word "nor". It is one statement.

Deut confirms my reading of Lev:

You are the children of the LORD your God. Do not cut yourselves or shave the front of your heads for the dead, Deut 14:1

This reiteration of the command makes it clear that the concept was about deterring Israelites from mimicking pagan traditions.

Did you read the Leviticus verse in Hebrew? It most definitely seems to be saying both are forbidden.

 

[Simplelogic]

Obviously ear rings were never prohibited in Hebrew culture.

Did you read the Leviticus verse in Hebrew? It most definitely seems to be saying both are forbidden.

But there isn't a break in the subject from cutting and tattoos like in the English.