Being an (ex) graphics artist who has contributed to several films, fantasy, educational and scientific (but not to disney/pixar), i can assure you, a Disney film is proof of only one thing... that Disney makes films.
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The Purple Dragon
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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Being an (ex) graphics artist who has contributed to several films, fantasy, educational and scientific (but not to disney/pixar), i can assure you, a Disney film is proof of only one thing... that Disney makes films.
HonestJoe
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Anything could exist (as long as it's not self-contradictory). Obviously that doesn't help in determining the likelihood of a specified thing actually existing.
The movie isn't proof of anything other than the concept existing (or having existed when the film was made). That's an entirely different discussion though.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
There are a lot of things in history that are not true but we probably enjoy learning and studying it so much it has a life long history. Literature is a good example of this. That doesnt make the raven in Poe's The Raven exist. Its a beautiful poem nonetheless.
Dragons have their place. Gods have their place. Regardless their history, the nature and relationship with the OP, how are they different?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
But is the Dragon real regardness if it were on screen or written in a book? and how does its realness relate to a deitys realness?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. Actually both kinda relate.
How does concept become someone elses reality? (Whats no longer a conept)
Children probably believe dragons are real at a young age. The concept was made real; they didnt know the difference. When growing up, they still have this conecpt. Its real to them. If not self contradictory, what is the difference between the reality of their dragon and the reality of someone elses god?
Can one be atheist to one but agnostic to the latter?
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Fiction does not serve as proof.
A purple dragon could exist apart from any hint of one by Disney. The salient point is that, in not knowing, anything is possible.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
This is why I didn't want to get in to this. Too many people struggle to understand the concept (pun intended
).A concept is always a concept. An idea that exists only in people's minds plus any expression of that they create (such as the movie). It doesn't matter how many people are aware of it or whether they believe it reflects something that actually exists or even whether it actually does exist.
Similarly, if something actually, physically exists, it does so regardless of how many people (if any) know it exists or and conceive of it as a possibility. Different people can have entirely different images of how a concept actually is and those images can change. If those concepts can relate to something real, the real thing remains exactly the same regardless of what people believe about it and how those beliefs shift and change.
Nothing at all. You're still "only" talking about what is going on inside people's heads though (arguably more significant than whether the things actually exist somewhere).
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
This is why I didn't want to get in to this. Too many people struggle to understand the concept (pun intended
A concept is always a concept. An idea that exists only in people's minds plus any expression of that they create (such as the movie). It doesn't matter how many people are aware of it or whether they believe it reflects something that actually exists or even whether it actually does exist.
Similarly, if something actually, physically exists, it does so regardless of how many people (if any) know it exists or and conceive of it as a possibility. Different people can have entirely different images of how a concept actually is and those images can change. If those concepts can relate to something real, the real thing remains exactly the same regardless of what people believe about it and how those beliefs shift and change.
Nothing at all. You're still "only" talking about what is going on inside people's heads though (arguably more significant than whether the things actually exist somewhere).
(Nothing else better to do)
Im using a hypothetical of the similarity between the reality of a dragon and how it is similar to the reality of god. Specifically, if one is an atheist to a dragon but agnostic to god, how does that work out?
I understand concepts. I believe god is a concept made existed by culture and finding relationships with life or finding ones place in the world. Im a horrible atheist to speak with since I have no concept of a deity nor knowledge of the nature of one.
Thinking of dragons as reality not a concept, can someone be atheist to a dragon but agnostic to god; what is the difference?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How so?
The problem I have is that Dragons are individually infinitely different as well as Gods. You asked me if the purple Dragon existed I said no but dragons could possibly exist, there are so many types in so many countries at so many times throughout history one species that qualifies could exist. Do I know which one? No. Do I know what it can do? No. Do I believe one may or may have existed? Yes. The same is said of God. The are so many versions of God today and through history. Do I know which one exists? No. Do I know what powers this God has? No. Do I believe a God may or may have existed? Yes
At the base of my belief God had a hand in the creation of the Universe and Dragon's are only a part of the Universe.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Whatever is superimposed on consciousness is of course unreal [comes and goes]. Deities come/go like dragon. Both come/go = unreal. Truth does not come/go
Difference between Dragon and deity:
Dragon you need to go to the movies to see them [or a DVD player/laptop]
Deity you just need to meditate and they appear.
Deity can take even solid forms and hit you on your head. Lucky the dragon can't put you on fire for real.
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In knowing a thing, it is truth. Its form and conditions are fixed. Things beyond our knowing are not necessarily true. They are not necessarily anything, and we cannot accurately attribute anything to them. Of the things we know, each is possible; it's happened. But of the things we don't know, because we cannot attribute truth to them, anything is possible.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. The only thing I know about them both is dragons like Madaam Mim are cute and funny to listen to and gods make me tilt my head in interest of other peoples culture, motives, and finding their origin. I cant say either is more real than than the other. Being historical and juggling concepts doesnt make something into existence. I guess agnosticism is a safe position. Though, I wonder if that line of thinking only works with imaginary things but when emotions ae involved, they stop short of I dont know. Its either fake or real.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Whoah! Heavy duty profundity!! I'm wondering if we see the same thing?
For me I believe every thing we know about reality has one source, Human intelligence. Because we can't verify our own intelligence (which includes emotion) everything is subjective. So fake or real doesn't really matter to me, Its all just my opinion.
WalterTrull
Godfella
I wonder if that belies communication skills
Huh! I don't comprehend.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Do you believe fake and real have their places in whether one is benefitial than another?
For example, whats fake can probably save somes life. We can be saved by something we dont know or think we know to avoid posible consequences. (I have to rack my brain for a good example)
Something real could be benefitial if a person values knowledge over belief.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Deities can been t.v. too. What is a deity that hasnt been displayed as a fictional art or existent because of culture which highly depends on the person?
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Knowledge and Belief are dependent on each other, you can't have either without both. The placebo effect can save lives. Fictional stories can save peoples lives, which is why they were told especially to children. Belief in Luck has saved lives. Belief in ESP has saved lives. Not all religions can be true but all religions have saved and taken lives.
Anything real can be beneficial to a person but it also can be harmful to a person, like beliefs its how you use it. Antifreeze can be used to keep you car cool, kill unwanted pests or kill a human. Nothing is only beneficial.