The Qualities of a God

[paarsurrey]

Your question assumes that there is a God's word to have been revealed. I see no evidence of such.

What Methodology does one adopt to know G-d's word, please?
Right?

Regards

 

[ppp]

What Methodology does one adopt to know G-d's word, please?
Right?

Regards

Why ask me? I am not the one who is claiming that it is possible to know. Surely the people who claim that it is possible to know have a methodology that can reliably demonstrate the difference between fact and fiction. Right?

 

[paarsurrey]

Why ask me? I am not the one who is claiming that it is possible to know. Surely the people who claim that it is possible to know have a methodology that can reliably demonstrate the difference between fact and fiction. Right?

Because one is participating in the discussion " the qualities of God". Right?

Regards

 

[ppp]

Because one is participating in the discussion " the qualities of God". Right?

Regards

I kindly provided the reasoning behind my question. If you do not respond on that basis, then it is not my question to which you are responding.

 

[paarsurrey]

SalixIncendium said: ↑

I appreciate one for starting a thread to know attributes/qualities of G-d.
The very first verse of Quran starts and mention two attributes of G-d:
1:1
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾
English - Sher Ali
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right, please?

In the first chapter of the Quran called Fatihah we find following more attributes of G-d:

1:1
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾
English - Sher Ali
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1:2
اَلۡحَمۡدُ لِلّٰہِ رَبِّ الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾
English - Sher Ali
All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
1:3
الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ۙ﴿۳﴾
English - Sher Ali
The Gracious, the Merciful,
1:4
مٰلِکِ یَوۡمِ الدِّیۡنِ ؕ﴿۴﴾
English - Sher Ali
Master of the Day of Judgment.
1:5
اِیَّاکَ نَعۡبُدُ وَاِیَّاکَ نَسۡتَعِیۡنُ ؕ﴿۵﴾
English - Sher Ali
Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
1:6
اِہۡدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الۡمُسۡتَقِیۡمَ ۙ﴿۶﴾
English - Sher Ali
Guide us in the right path —
1:7
صِرَاطَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَنۡعَمۡتَ عَلَیۡہِمۡ ۬ۙ غَیۡرِ الۡمَغۡضُوۡبِ عَلَیۡہِمۡ وَلَا الضَّآلِّیۡنَ ٪﴿۷﴾
English - Sher Ali
The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
Holy Quran: Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah (alislam.org)
Right?

Regards

 

[PureX]

It's not that they don't understand you. They just think you are wrong.

I can tell by the responses that they have no idea what I'm talking about ... because they think this is about being right or wrong.

 

[ppp]

I can tell by the responses that they have no idea what I'm talking about ... because they think this is about being right or wrong.

They think you're wrong about it not being about right and wrong. Duh.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring[c] I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.
And the LORD appeared to him [Isaac] the same night and said, “I am the God of Abraham your father; fear not, for I am with you and will bless you and multiply your descendants for my servant Abraham’s sake.
Then God said to Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel and dwell there; and make an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you fled from the face of Esau your brother.
So the LORD spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle. (Exodus 33:11)
And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. (1 Kings 11:9)
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.” (John 5:19)

You are not alone in thinking when the Lord (YHWH) appeared means taken as literal.
Please compare Exodus 33:11 with Exodus 33:20; Exodus 33:23. - John 6:46; John 1:18
Thus, Jehovah speaking personally to Moses then the expression 'face to face' would mean personally.
(Not a literal seeing of God's face).
'Face to face' in Bible speak, would mean having an intimate two-way conversation.
( If you have ever seen the movie ' The Ten commandments ' it showed when Moses was given the tablets he did Not see his God but had an intimate conversation with Him )
Today we might say I spoke with someone 'mouth to mouth' instead of face to face.
We could say 'mouth to mouth' even if we are speaking over the phone and Not actually seeing the person.
- Acts of the Apostles 7:35-38 mentions an ' angelic representative ' being used in connection to Moses.

 

[ppp]

You are not alone in thinking when the Lord (YHWH) appeared means taken as literal.
Please compare Exodus 33:11 with Exodus 33:20; Exodus 33:23. - John 6:46; John 1:18
Thus, Jehovah speaking personally to Moses then the expression 'face to face' would mean personally.
(Not a literal seeing of God's face).
'Face to face' in Bible speak, would mean having an intimate two-way conversation.
( If you have ever seen the movie ' The Ten commandments ' it showed when Moses was given the tablets he did Not see his God but had an intimate conversation with Him )
Today we might say I spoke with someone 'mouth to mouth' instead of face to face.
We could say 'mouth to mouth' even if we are speaking over the phone and Not actually seeing the person.
- Acts of the Apostles 7:35-38 mentions an ' angelic representative ' being used in connection to Moses.

I have already responded to this in post 135 of this thread

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What Methodology does one adopt to know G-d's word, please? Right? Regards

Method to me would mean: by subject arrangement, by topic arrangement.
Since the Bible is not written as a novel is written, then we need to read/research the Bible by subject, by topic.
Since the Bible is Not written in ABC alphabetic order, a comprehensive concordance helps put the Bible in alphabetical order for us by subject, by topic.
So, by taking one topic or subject at a time we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.
This is why we can also see and use the many corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages.
This is also why Jesus often prefaced his statement with the words, " it is written..." meaning already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures and Jesus thus explained or expounded on the OT for us.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your question assumes that there is a God's word to have been revealed. I see no evidence of such.

Question was Not posted by me but by Policy.
However, to me Revelation 6:8 is revealed today, Luke 21:11 is revealed today and so is Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
The 'good news of God's Kingdom' (aka government - Daniel 2:44) is now declared on a vast international scale.
ALL the above has come together as never before in history showing revealed evidence that Jesus will soon take action.

 

[ppp]

Question was Not posted by me but by Policy.

No. The question was posted in post 138 by @paarsurrey.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
URAVIP2ME said: ↑
I find Psalms 90:2 agrees with you that God is neither born nor dies ( God is from and to everlasting ).
Since No person can see God and live (John 1:18) and people saw Jesus and lived, thus Jesus is Not God.

I understand that neither G-d's word revealed on Moses has reached us in a pristine form nor G-d's word revealed on Jesus has reached us intact, please. Right?

No. The question was posted in post 138 by @paarsurrey.

OT has failed to record anything written by Moses, I understand, as the NT has failed to record anything written by Jesus to reach us in pristine form. Right?

Regards

 

[ppp]

OT has failed to record anything written by Moses, I understand, as the NT has failed to record anything written by Jesus to reach us in pristine form. Right?

No way to tell. We may have nothing said by Jesus, or everything attributed to Jesus in the Bible is what he said, or any percentage in between.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
OT has failed to record anything written by Moses, I understand, as the NT has failed to record anything written by Jesus to reach us in pristine form. Right?

No way to tell. We may have nothing said by Jesus, or everything attributed to Jesus in the Bible is what he said, or any percentage in between.

I assess, one is too biased towards the Judaism people and the Christianity peoples. When there is nothing in writing from Moses and or Jesus, then there seems to be no such possibility, I must say. Right?

Regards

 

[URAVIP2ME]

paarsurrey said: ↑
URAVIP2ME said: ↑
I find Psalms 90:2 agrees with you that God is neither born nor dies ( God is from and to everlasting ).
Since No person can see God and live (John 1:18) and people saw Jesus and lived, thus Jesus is Not God
I understand that neither G-d's word revealed on Moses has reached us in a pristine form nor G-d's word revealed on Jesus has reached us intact, please. Right?
OT has failed to record anything written by Moses, I understand, as the NT has failed to record anything written by Jesus to reach us in pristine form. Right? Regards

The English King James Version/Translation has words we don't use today.
However, the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic can be compared with the ancient manuscripts.
Thus, the internal harmony of the Bible is in tact.
The Bible's corresponding cross-reference verses and passages are in harmony.
The theme of Jesus' teaching (Luke 4:43) about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is in tact today - Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Not sure what you mean about the OT failed to record anything written by Moses.
1st Samuel thorough Malachi mentions Moses (12 Bible books )

 

[paarsurrey]

The English King James Version/Translation has words we don't use today.
However, the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic can be compared with the ancient manuscripts.
Thus, the internal harmony of the Bible is in tact.
The Bible's corresponding cross-reference verses and passages are in harmony.
The theme of Jesus' teaching (Luke 4:43) about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is in tact today - Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Not sure what you mean about the OT failed to record anything written by Moses.
1st Samuel thorough Malachi mentions Moses (12 Bible books )

" Moses "

Will one kindly quote from Moses, his first person claim of a book written by Moses himself, please? Right?

Regards

 

[URAVIP2ME]

" Moses "Will one kindly quote from Moses, his first person claim of a book written by Moses himself, please? Right? Regards

Since God is the Bible's Author there is No need for Moses or anyone to say, " I write..... " -2 Timothy 3:16-17
I do find Moses is speaking at Exodus 32:25-33.
Jesus and Christian writers believed that God gave Moses the Law, so Moses wrote down the God-given Law:
- Matthew 8:4 B
- Luke 16:29-31; Luke 24:27; Luke 24:44
- Acts of the Apostles 26:22 B; Acts of the Apostles 15:21
- Romans 10:5
- 1 Corinthians 9:9
- 2 Corinthians 3:15
- Hebrews 10:28
...and please note what Jesus said about Moses at John 5:46: John 1:45 that ' Moses wrote ' about Jesus (Messiah).
- Deuteronomy 18:15; Acts of the Apostles 3:22; Acts of the Apostles 7:37

 

[paarsurrey]

SalixIncendium said: ↑


In the first chapter of the Quran called Fatihah we find following more attributes of G-d:

1:1
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾
English - Sher Ali
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1:2
اَلۡحَمۡدُ لِلّٰہِ رَبِّ الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾
English - Sher Ali
All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
1:3
الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ۙ﴿۳﴾
English - Sher Ali
The Gracious, the Merciful,
1:4
مٰلِکِ یَوۡمِ الدِّیۡنِ ؕ﴿۴﴾
English - Sher Ali
Master of the Day of Judgment.
1:5
اِیَّاکَ نَعۡبُدُ وَاِیَّاکَ نَسۡتَعِیۡنُ ؕ﴿۵﴾
English - Sher Ali
Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
1:6
اِہۡدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الۡمُسۡتَقِیۡمَ ۙ﴿۶﴾
English - Sher Ali
Guide us in the right path —
1:7
صِرَاطَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَنۡعَمۡتَ عَلَیۡہِمۡ ۬ۙ غَیۡرِ الۡمَغۡضُوۡبِ عَلَیۡہِمۡ وَلَا الضَّآلِّیۡنَ ٪﴿۷﴾
English - Sher Ali
The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
Holy Quran: Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah (alislam.org)
Right?

Regards

The next chapter of Quran, the Second One named Al-Baqarah or the Cow , demonstrates more attributes of G-d, one of them is:
2:128
وَاِذۡ یَرۡفَعُ اِبۡرٰہٖمُ الۡقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الۡبَیۡتِ وَاِسۡمٰعِیۡلُ ؕ رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلۡ مِنَّا ؕ اِنَّکَ اَنۡتَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۱۲۸﴾
English - Sher Ali
And remember the time when Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House, praying, ‘Our Lord, accept this from us; for Thou art All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

SalixIncendium said: ↑

The next chapter of Quran, the Second One named Al-Baqarah or the Cow , demonstrates more attributes of G-d, one of them is:
2:128
وَاِذۡ یَرۡفَعُ اِبۡرٰہٖمُ الۡقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الۡبَیۡتِ وَاِسۡمٰعِیۡلُ ؕ رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلۡ مِنَّا ؕ اِنَّکَ اَنۡتَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۱۲۸﴾
English - Sher Ali
And remember the time when Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House, praying, ‘Our Lord, accept this from us; for Thou art All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right?

I point out the next attribute, which is actually mentioned in the above verse namely "السَّمِیۡعُ " translated "All-Hearing ", please.
Agree?

Regards