islam abduallah
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i read both and although of that i believe that the quran wasn't changed
[/QUOTE] The truth is that the Quran has been changed. It was changed by Uthman and there are hadiths which prove it. Mohammad never standardized the Quran, Uthman did [/QUOTE]
indeed uthman didn't, what you said is just pure misunderstanding about what Uthman did
[/QUOTE] and there were certain things he changed which upset many people, hence why he was killed by an angry mob. He had all other copies of the Qurans burnt so that the one he had written up was the one that you all have today. That is the only reason why you can rightly say the Quran YOU HAVE has not changed. [/QUOTE]
it's known that the people who killed Uthman are the worst among the people at that time, and all of Mohamed's Companions were against this crime, but Uthman prefered to scarify by his life in order to avoid Muslims to do a war
[/QUOTE] The hadiths which prove these facts are found in Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 514, p. 482; book 61 which shows that Mohammad taught different ways of reciting the Quran, hence it wasnt standard when he taught it.
Narrated Umar bin Al-Khattab:
I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listen to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Surat which I heard you reciting ?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me". I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle taught it to me in a different way from yours". So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said, "I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!". On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him (Umar) recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way", and added, "Recite, O Umar", I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever is easier for you." [/QUOTE]
indeed the book of Bukhari is the best book includes prophet Mohamed hadiths, so no muslim could deny the creditably of that hadith
we as an arab can understand that easily but you not, so i'll try to simplify it within this article
the quran was revealed to Mohamed in to 7 tongues to match with all the arab tongues, but the difference between this 7 tongues isn't in the words itself it's in to how to Pronounce it i.e. how to recite it, not in how to write it, all of the 7 reciting have the same figure of writing, so Umar was reciting the words of the quran by his terrible way of pronouncing the Arabic and hesham was following his terrible way and the quran was revealed by both, this is the first difference between the 7 ways of reciting the quran, the 2nd difference is in the dots of the letters during Mohamed era the arabic words didn't have dots above or under it like now and the same was during uthman era, the 7 ways of quran at some words are different in that for example the B letter written in arabic ب with one dot below, N ن one dot above, T ت two dots above, Y ي two dots below, during uthman and prophet mohamed era this letters was written without dotes, so it has the same shape, the 7 reading in some words use N instead of B in some words and it would give another meaning of the word but when you write without dots no difference between them, and that what happened at Uthman era, so to summary the above the 7 reading not means 7 books at uthman era as there was no dots above or under the letters like now it means one book you can read it in 7 tongues,
also if your understanding was right, that means now we have only one way to recite the quran, which is wrong, as we have the 7 readings, for example Egypt and saudi arabia recite by the way of qurish it called Hafs while morroco recite in another way, tunisie recite in a third way, turkey in a forth way but now it's 7 books because we write dots above the letters, if you remove the dots it would be the same, i hope that point is cleared now
[/QUOTE] Bukhuri: vol. 4, hadith 682, book 56 shows that Mohammad allowed variation to exist.
Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:
I heard a person reciting a (Quranic) Verse in a certain way, and I had heard the Prophet reciting the same Verse in a different way. So I took him to the Prophet and informed him of that but I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face, and then he said, "Both of you are correct, so don't differ, for the nations before you differed, so they were destroyed." [/QUOTE]
it's the same of what mentioned above
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Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 468, p. 441-442; book 60 shows how the companions of Muhammad did not have exactly the same way of teaching the Quran.
Narrated Ibrahim:
The companions of 'Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) came to Abi Darda', (and before they arrived at his home), he looked for them and found them. Then he asked them,: "Who among you can recite (Qur'an) as 'Abdullah recites it?" They replied, "All of us." He asked, "Who among you knows it by heart?" They pointed at 'Alqama. Then he asked Alqama. "How did you hear 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud reciting Surat Al-Lail (The Night)?" Alqama recited:
'By the male and the female.' Abu Ad-Darda said,
"I testify that I heard me Prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it:--
'And by Him Who created male and female.' But by Allah, I will not follow them." [/QUOTE]
the answer about that is simple Mohamed's companions was arround 100,000 persons, two of them (ibn masuad and abu darda ) heard one verse in a wrong way, it's their fault and there's 99,998 compainions who agreed that it's 'And by Him Who created male and female", i think it's illogical to listen to 2 against 99,998
also don't think that bukhari was supporting their opinion, bukhari was just recording their fault
[/QUOTE] Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61 And this one shows how Uthman had all the copies of the Quran collected and burnt....he then had a new Quran written up which is the one you have today.
So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. ..." [/QUOTE]
i'd like to highlite here that utman not write the quran again, the quran was gathered during abu bakr era then he gave it to umar who keep it at his daughter hafsa the prophet's wife and when uthman notice that the new muslims in non arab countries read the quran in a wrong way and begin to write copies in a wrong way he decide to publish the copy of hafsa and to burn other copies as it may include wrong word
i hope everything is clear no
