The Rapture

[AK4]

[quote=muffled;1941971]i agree. It is best to keep it simple. The only time i am apt to long is on the op so people have enough to talk about. We can forgive him because he is new.

this is relatively true. However this is not the only inhabited world in the universe and god can just move people to another world or create a new one if he wishes.

there is evidence to the contrary. It is most likely that the earthly kingdom of god will co-exist with earthly mortal kingdoms for a thousand years when the mortal kingdoms will attempt to rise against the immortal kingdom of god and fail.

this sounds pretty familiar but what verses are you using and how do you tie them in to the rapture without being syncretic?

there appears to be a lot of conjecture in this.

this seems a bit spiritualized. What reasons do you show for this?

quote=muffled; this is relatively true. However this is not the only inhabited world in the universe.

oh, i didn't know that other intelligent or any life forms for that matter, had been discovered in this universe. What, have you been secretly meeting them aliens have you?

quote=muffled; there is evidence to the contrary. It is most likely that the earthly kingdom of god will co-exist with earthly mortal kingdoms for a thousand years when the mortal kingdoms will attempt to rise against the immortal kingdom of god and fail.

and from where did you dig up that little gem? What i read, is that after the thousand years have ended, satan shall be unbound and go out to gather to himself another human body of many cells and he will encircle the holy city on this earth with his earthly body of men, but then the last trumpet will sound, and fire will come down from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms upon this earth.

quote=muffled; this sounds pretty familiar but what verses are you using and how do you tie them in to the rapture without being syncretic?

it is then that the rapture occurs, for at the sound of the last trumpet, the elect and chosen number will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious bodies of incorruptible brilliant and blinding light, when they shall be caught up to heaven to be with the lord, who will repopulate this earth when it is once more capable of sustaining physical life forms. A lot can be done to prepare for that day during the thousand years of peace, when the wealth of the nations that will be taken up to jerusalem each year by the chosen represenative of each nation, (and woe betide any nation which refuses to pay homage to the glorious king) all that wealth can then be used to further the technology needed, rather that wasting it all on armaments. For as the bible tells us, "god did not create the earth for nothing, but created it to be inhabited."

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the colors the colors!!!

 

[AK4]

Let us start at ground zero. The title of the doctrine is "The Rapture" by taking only one small phrase from the scripture "caught up" which is what rapture means and here it is in the OP text highlighted: 17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds

No ground zero would be

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]2Pe 1:20 -Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]But first off the main teaching of the rapture is that believers will raptured out of tribulation, when in fact all the other scriptures say the opposite that in fact believers are THROWN into tribulation, suffering and so on.[/FONT]

Second off, another reason not to believe in this doctrine is that its very premise is contrary to scripture. Its premise....the righteous are raptured away and the wicked are left behind. This premise is the very opposite of what Jesus said will happen.

 

[S-word]

the colors the colors!!![/quote]

The colours, the colours, the colours he cried
As neurones bombarded his brain
The colours, the colours, the light is so bright
I think that I'm going insane.

So what about the colours? I only use black and red to denote a two person debate.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Is the rapture a historical doctrine of traditional Christianity, or a later innovation? I wouldn't accept the rapture even if I were a Christian for the mere fact no one knew nothing of the doctrine or speculated about such until the 1800's

 

[S-word]

No ground zero would be

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]2Pe 1:20 -Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]But first off the main teaching of the rapture is that believers will raptured out of tribulation, when in fact all the other scriptures say the opposite that in fact believers are THROWN into tribulation, suffering and so on.[/FONT]

Second off, another reason not to believe in this doctrine is that its very premise is contrary to scripture. Its premise....the righteous are raptured away and the wicked are left behind. This premise is the very opposite of what Jesus said will happen.

2Pe 1:20 -Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2nd Peter 1: 20-21; "Above all else, however, remember that no one can explain by himself a prophecy in the scriptures, For no prophetic message ever came just from the will of man, but men were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God."
No man, unless he is guided by the spirit that is in the world, can explain the scriptures, by himself.

But first off the main teaching of the rapture is that believers will raptured out of tribulation, when in fact all the other scriptures say the opposite that in fact believers are THROWN into tribulation, suffering and so on.

No, according to scripture, the rapture comes long after the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, when all the nations of the world are gathered around Jerusalem, the great tribulation in which there would be no survivors, but for the intervention of the Lord and those days are cut short. It is in the day/the time of tribulation, See Malachi 3: 1-2; that the Lord who the people are looking for will come to his Temple in Jerusalem. The Messenger that everyone is longing to see, will come and proclaim the covenant of God. But who will be able to endure the day/the time when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears.

The rapture occurs after the Great Sabbath, See Acts 17: 31; The Day of the Lord, in which he shall rule the whole world with Justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death. It is then, after satan has been released and has gathered to himself a new physical body from the nations of the earth and who, in his new body will surround the City of Peaceful inhabitants, when, at the sound of the last trumpet, the fire descends from heaven, which I believe has something to do with Jupiter, whether it will become a brown dwarf or is the cause of some other catastrophic cosmic event, causes the fire to come down and incinerate all physical life forms on this planet, and it is at the sound of the last trumpet that according to Paul, in 1st Corinthians 15: 51-52; the elect and chosen will be translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious bodies of incorruptible brilliant and blinding light, as seen with the new body of Jesus of Nazareth, when he confronted Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.

For Jesus, who became the host body, and one with, the first of the dead from the previous world, to have been reborn on earth, did not have to die as the Lord himself said through his obedient servant Jesus, John 14: 30; “I cannot talk to you much longer as (death) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know that I (Enoch reborn on earth in his chosen host body, his obedient servant, Jesus) love the Father, that is why I do everything that he commands me.” And as we know, Jesus was obedient, to our Lord and saviour even unto his cruel death on the cross.

For as he was the earthly image of the “Son of Man,” who is our Lord and saviour, the one through whom our Lord was able to reveal his perfected nature and the great sacrifice that he makes for us, He, the earthly image of the Lord our saviour, had to be lifted up in the same manner as Moses lifted up the image of the serpent in the wilderness, in order that all those who were dying because of the venom of the old serpent that was coursing through their veins, only had to turn their eyes to his image that had been lifted up upon a stake, to be saved.

John 3: 14; “As Moses lifted up the Image of the serpent in the wilderness, in the same manner The Son of Man must also be lifted up.”

By saying in John 8: 28; “When you lift up the Son of Man, You will know “I Am Who I Am,” the man Jesus reveals to the world that he is the one who the Lord our saviour “I Am Who I Am,” told Moses that he would choose from among the Israelites to be sent in the name of the Lord “Who I Am,” and to speak in the name of the Lord, “Who I Am.”
Jesus then goes on to say, “I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what the Father “Who I Am,” has instructed me to say. And he who sent me (To speak in his name “Who I Am&#8221 is with me; he has not left me alone, because I always do what pleases him.”

Second off, another reason not to believe in this doctrine is that its very premise is contrary to scripture. Its premise....the righteous are raptured away and the wicked are left behind. This premise is the very opposite of what Jesus said will happen.


The concept of the transmutation, of the corruptible physical body into an incorruptible body of Light, is found, not only in the bible, but also in many of the eastern religions, and in ancient myths, and was the true goal of the ancient alchemists, even Sir Isaac Newton, who were searching for the “ ‘mystic seed’ of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge and wholly transmute the imperfect self into spiritual gold.” E. Underhill, Mysticism, p. 170. Paul; 1st coronthians 15, "There is a physical body, so there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first. And Jesus was the first to receive a share of the immortal body of the son of man, which was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus. In which new body, he appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus and identified himself as "Jesus of Nazareth". He is the first of many brothers who are chosen from the human race to inherit their share of the hidden Manna, which is the immortal body that was given for the elect and chosen. This is the new species that comes from mandkind, "The Son of Man," the second Adam. And as we have borne the image of the first Adam, so shall we bear the image of the second Adam, our chosen King and High priest in the line of Melchizedek, the historical "Jesus of Nazareth."

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Is the rapture a historical doctrine of traditional Christianity, or a later innovation? I wouldn't accept the rapture even if I were a Christian for the mere fact no one knew nothing of the doctrine or speculated about such until the 1800's

Rapture or rather Resurrection?

The verses at 1st Thess 4:13-17 are dealing first with those already asleep in the grave, or as Daniel [12:2,13] says sleeping in dust of the ground.
Just as Jesus likened death to deep sleep at John 11:11-14.

Since 1st Corinthians 15:50 is quite clear that 'flesh and blood can Not inherit the kingdom', then those that remain alive [until Matthew 25:32] will be caught up with the clouds as Jesus was caught up with the clouds. Jesus was Not caught up with the clouds until after his death, when after death God resurrected Jesus to heaven not before. see: Acts 1:9; Rev 11:12.

 

[S-word]

Rapture or rather Resurrection?

The verses at 1st Thess 4:13-17 are dealing first with those already asleep in the grave, or as Daniel [12:2,13] says sleeping in dust of the ground.
Just as Jesus likened death to deep sleep at John 11:11-14.

Since 1st Corinthians 15:50 is quite clear that 'flesh and blood can Not inherit the kingdom', then those that remain alive [until Matthew 25:32] will be caught up with the clouds as Jesus was caught up with the clouds. Jesus was Not caught up with the clouds until after his death, when after death God resurrected Jesus to heaven not before. see: Acts 1:9; Rev 11:12.

The concept of the transmutation, of the corruptible physical body into an incorruptible body of Light, is found not only in the bible, but also in many of the eastern religions, and in ancient myths, and was the true goal of the ancient alchemists, even Sir Isaac Newton, who were searching for the “ ‘mystic seed’ of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge and wholly transmute the imperfect self into spiritual gold.” E. Underhill, Mysticism, p. 170.
For Jesus, who became the host body, and one with, the first of the dead from the previous world, to have been reborn on earth, did not have to die as the Lord himself said through his obedient servant Jesus, John 14: 30; “I cannot talk to you much longer as (death) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know that I (Enoch reborn on earth in his chosen host body, his obedient servant, Jesus) love the Father that is why I do everything that he commands me.” And as we know, Jesus/Enoch was obedient, to our Lord and saviour even unto his cruel death on the cross.

The Lord God our saviour said through his obedient servant Jesus, who is our hope, that those who believed on him even though they be dead, yet shall they live again, Jesus proved that the Lord is truthful. But our saviour also said, that he who truly believes and lives, will never die.

Jesus who was Enoch reborn on earth, Enoch, who was in the bowels of the earth, or rather the invisible dimensional world that co-exists within this visible world for three days, or three periods of one thousand years, did not have to die, but did so at the command of the Lord God, but when Elijah is reborn into this physical world at the close of this the sixth day, after having been in the kingdom of God which is within you and this visible world for three days of one thousand years, his host body will not die, but will be transmuted to a body of brilliant light while that host body is alive, and he shall rule as King for the Sabbath day of one thousand years. Proving that, over he who truly believes, death will have no power.

Those who had believed the words of our Father as spoken through his servant and chosen heir, Jesus, and who received their share of the immortal body of our saviour which was torn asunder and poured out as little tongues of fire on those who believed, have been judged in the flesh as all are judge, but death having no power over them, they, in their spiritual existence, are living as God lives, gathering each one to themselves the required number of their obedient descendants who fall asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for the inherited sin of Adam. They themselves, having never sinned, in that they had lived their lives in obedience to their ancestral spirit who had evolved from the very beginning to become who they were.

When each of they who, two thousand years ago, had received their share of the hidden Manna, has gathered the required the number of spirits, whose righteous blood will be the ransom for one person who lives in obedience to their living ancestral spirit, they will choose as their heir, their obedient servant, who, through their total obedience to “Who I Am,” or in their case, “Who They Are,” is their earthly image and likeness, and they shall take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule the thousand years from the kingdom of God within their host bodies.

After the thousand year Sabbath has been completed, and they will have been within the inner invisible kingdom for three days of one thousand years, and at the sound of the last trumpet when fire descends from heaven to incinerate all physical life forms on this planet, their host bodies over whom death has no power, shall be transformed into bodies of brilliant light and caught up to be the lord.

 

[S-word]

quote=Muffled; This is relatively true. However this is not the only inhabited world in the universe.

Oh, I didn't know that other intelligent or any life forms for that matter, had been discovered in this universe. What, have you been secretly meeting them aliens have you?

quote=Muffled; There is evidence to the contrary. It is most likely that the earthly Kingdom of God will co-exist with earthly mortal kingdoms for a thousand years when the mortal kingdoms will attempt to rise against the immortal Kingdom of God and fail.

And from where did you dig up that little gem? What I read, is that after the thousand years have ended, Satan shall be unbound and go out to gather to himself another human body of many cells and he will encircle the holy city on this earth with his earthly body of men, but then the last trumpet will sound, and fire will come down from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms upon this earth.

quote=Muffled; This sounds pretty familiar but what verses are you using and how do you tie them in to the rapture without being syncretic?

It is then that the rapture occurs, for at the sound of the last trumpet, the elect and chosen number will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious bodies of incorruptible brilliant and blinding light, when they shall be caught up to heaven to be with the Lord, who will repopulate this earth when it is once more capable of sustaining physical life forms. A lot can be done to prepare for that day during the thousand years of peace, when the wealth of the nations that will be taken up to Jerusalem each year by the chosen represenative of each nation, (And woe betide any nation which refuses to pay homage to the glorious king) All that wealth can then be used to further the technology needed, rather that wasting it all on armaments. For as the Bible tells us, "God did not create the earth for nothing, but created it to be inhabited."

I spent one of my previous lives among the blue skinned people on another planet. I tend to be a wandering spirit, less tied to a place (planet) or people than other people. I look at the stars and want to go there and know that I can after I die. I also have been in Heaven (Paradise).

I can see the source of your confusion. You are perceiving "Fire coming down from heaven" as a final conflagration that envelops the whole earth but that is not the case. The fire only destroys the forces of evil. The kingdom of God is not touched by it and remains.

...only your opinion. You didn't give me what I asked for: scripture and how it ties in. I don't really want to hear the imaginings of someone's mind.[/quote]



quote=Muffled; I spent one of my previous lives among the blue skinned people on another planet.


S-word; Ah haa, you went and saw the 3D movie "Avatar"did you?


quote=Muffled; I tend to be a wandering spirit, less tied to a place (planet) or people than other people.


S-word; Well if you ever happen to get to a planet called "Whoompha" be carefull, they've got green skin on the front of their body and brown skin on their backs, and don't stand behind them old mate, cos they suffer badly from flatulence, which I presume is the reason that the backs of their bodies are brown; "WHOOMPHA."


quote=Muffled; I look at the stars and want to go there and know that I can after I die. I also have been in Heaven (Paradise).


S-word; That's funny, I would have thought that I would have noticed you there, cos Peter and me are good friends and I often help him register the visitors that come in through the gate, but I suppose you must have sneaked in under the fence somewhere.

quote=Muffled; ...only your opinion. You didn't give me what I asked for: scripture and how it ties in. I don't really want to hear the imaginings of someone's mind


S-word; Ah, you'd never hear anything like that from me old matey, nah, you'll not hear the imaginations of my mind from me, old matey, cos I'm just like you, I only speak the truth.

quote=Muffled; I can see the source of your confusion. You are perceiving "Fire coming down from heaven" as a final conflagration that envelops the whole earth but that is not the case. The fire only destroys the forces of evil. The kingdom of God is not touched by it and remains.

S-word; Zephaniah 1: 2; The Lord said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind, and no survivors will be left. I, the Lord have spoken.”
Verse 18; On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end---a sudden end--- to everyone, WHO LIVES ON EARTH.

 

[Muffled]

No ground zero would be

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]2Pe 1:20 -Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [/FONT]

Of course and that is exactly why your interpretation is not going to pan out even if you had thousands of people believing in it.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]But first off the main teaching of the rapture is that believers will raptured out of tribulation, when in fact all the other scriptures say the opposite that in fact believers are THROWN into tribulation, suffering and so on.[/FONT]
Re 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

What are thos other scriptures?
Second off, another reason not to believe in this doctrine is that its very premise is contrary to scripture. Its premise....the righteous are raptured away and the wicked are left behind. This premise is the very opposite of what Jesus said will happen.

Show some evidence.

 

[Muffled]

I spent one of my previous lives among the blue skinned people on another planet. I tend to be a wandering spirit, less tied to a place (planet) or people than other people. I look at the stars and want to go there and know that I can after I die. I also have been in Heaven (Paradise).

I can see the source of your confusion. You are perceiving "Fire coming down from heaven" as a final conflagration that envelops the whole earth but that is not the case. The fire only destroys the forces of evil. The kingdom of God is not touched by it and remains.

...only your opinion. You didn't give me what I asked for: scripture and how it ties in. I don't really want to hear the imaginings of someone's mind.

quote=Muffled; I spent one of my previous lives among the blue skinned people on another planet.


S-word; Ah haa, you went and saw the 3D movie "Avatar"did you?


quote=Muffled; I tend to be a wandering spirit, less tied to a place (planet) or people than other people.


S-word; Well if you ever happen to get to a planet called "Whoompha" be carefull, they've got green skin on the front of their body and brown skin on their backs, and don't stand behind them old mate, cos they suffer badly from flatulence, which I presume is the reason that the backs of their bodies are brown; "WHOOMPHA."


quote=Muffled; I look at the stars and want to go there and know that I can after I die. I also have been in Heaven (Paradise).


S-word; That's funny, I would have thought that I would have noticed you there, cos Peter and me are good friends and I often help him register the visitors that come in through the gate, but I suppose you must have sneaked in under the fence somewhere.

quote=Muffled; ...only your opinion. You didn't give me what I asked for: scripture and how it ties in. I don't really want to hear the imaginings of someone's mind


S-word; Ah, you'd never hear anything like that from me old matey, nah, you'll not hear the imaginations of my mind from me, old matey, cos I'm just like you, I only speak the truth.

quote=Muffled; I can see the source of your confusion. You are perceiving "Fire coming down from heaven" as a final conflagration that envelops the whole earth but that is not the case. The fire only destroys the forces of evil. The kingdom of God is not touched by it and remains.

S-word; Zephaniah 1: 2; The Lord said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind, and no survivors will be left. I, the Lord have spoken.”
Verse 18; On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end---a sudden end--- to everyone, WHO LIVES ON EARTH. [/quote]

I haven't seen the movie Avatar. I did not have any knowledge of blueskinned people other than spirtual memory. Where the protrayers of Avatat received their information I could not be sure but "avatar" is a hindu characterization and there are pictures of blue skinned people in their literature.

I speak the truth, S-word but I doubt very much that you are just like me or that you speak the truth.

That prophecy does not preclude a remnant of mortals for a time until they also are destroyed. It all comes out the same in the end.

 

[Muffled]

Rapture or rather Resurrection?

The verses at 1st Thess 4:13-17 are dealing first with those already asleep in the grave, or as Daniel [12:2,13] says sleeping in dust of the ground.
Just as Jesus likened death to deep sleep at John 11:11-14.

Since 1st Corinthians 15:50 is quite clear that 'flesh and blood can Not inherit the kingdom', then those that remain alive [until Matthew 25:32] will be caught up with the clouds as Jesus was caught up with the clouds. Jesus was Not caught up with the clouds until after his death, when after death God resurrected Jesus to heaven not before. see: Acts 1:9; Rev 11:12.

The resurrection of the dead is part of the Rapture Doctrine.

Jesus was not caught up in the clouds as a spirit but in His resurrected body. God is not limited to doing things with us in the exact same way that He did with Jesus.

 

[AK4]

No, according to scripture, the rapture comes long after the great tribulation,

Please show me in the scripture [not bible translations] that calls the great tribulation THE great tribulation. Oh long after? Just what does the word immediate mean then here?


Mt 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days

So already we can see your whole premise is off and the unscriptural heresy of this rapture doctrine is.

which is the war to end all wars, when all the nations of the world are gathered around Jerusalem, the great tribulation in which there would be no survivors, but for the intervention of the Lord and those days are cut short.

You are reading the scriptures with physical carnal eyes, making everything literal when in fact Jesus says “[all] My words are spirit” and that He “only spoke to the masses in parables”. I see you have fallen for the false prophets of doom scenario of the end times, no worry I was once deceived too. I can pick apart your argument with just plain questions because you are focused on the physical not the spiritual. Case in point---“war to end all wars”---do you actually believe and swallow the Christian hoax that God is actually in a battle with satan over His throne and to win souls? And if you do, do you realize that according to Christian teaching God loses the majority? Is your god that weak? Do you really believe nations is not symbolic of something else and that its literal and that every single nation will surround the corrupt abominable physical city of Jerusalem who God says is WORSE THAN Sodom, Gomorrah, and Samaria? Theres more as we go further into your post….

It is in the day/the time of tribulation, See Malachi 3: 1-2; that the Lord who the people are looking for will come to his Temple in Jerusalem.

Think about this and let the scriptures answer for you and not mans reasonings. If you answer these questions with the scriptures it will tell you where and what heaven is, where is the His true temple, where God dwells and know that that physical carnal abominable city over there in Jerusalem is not where Gods temple is. Also
1. Where does Gods dwell?
2. Where is the temple of God?
3. Who and What is the temple of God?
4. Where is the heaven? [heaven through out scripture is almost always plural]

It is then, after satan has been released and has gathered to himself a new physical body

I would love to see a chapter and verse that says satan gets a physical body. This unscriptural lie of the church has no bearing at all in scripture.

in his new body will surround the City of Peaceful inhabitants,

Here should be proof to show how this Christian hoax is just that, A HOAX. Do you really believe that that carnal city full of spiritual slobs of all religions is capable of being peaceful? Do you really think Jesus is coming in the way the Christian hoaxers say He will come to save a people who deny Him, don’t believe in Him and don’t follow His commands? Do you believe the hoax that they are Gods chosen people? Do you know how many verses of scripture you have to throw out for this? It just amazes me that people have fallen for the lie about the jews and the nation of Israel.

when, at the sound of the last trumpet, the fire descends from heaven,

You really don’t have a clue on what the fire from heaven means do you? I don’t say this to demean you, I am just saying the false prophets of Christendom have fooled everyone, even me at one time, with their literal physical renderings of scripture and created false prophesies out of stuff that is supposed to be spiritual.

which I believe has something to do with Jupiter, whether it will become a brown dwarf or is the cause of some other catastrophic cosmic event, causes the fire to come down and incinerate all physical life forms on this planet,

This speculation has the same problems that they make when trying to make A antichrist type figure fit their false prophecies.

and it is at the sound of the last trumpet that according to Paul, in 1st Corinthians 15: 51-52; the elect and chosen will be translated in a moment,

This is same preaching that those in Christendom do to dupe those who don’t know no better or know the spiritual to try to make their theories [false prophesying] fit.

For Jesus, who became the host body,

Host body??? Oh now in comes the unscriptural trinity doctrine. In otherwords Jesus’ body was just a cadaver and He Himself never died. *sigh*. Also you might as well throw out some more scriptures.

and one with, the first of the dead from the previous world,

Where did you get this from? Previous world? So lets see, are you saying Jesus died once before His earthly death and then died AGAIN in His earthly appearance? Do you know how many scriptures again you have just broken? Oh I get it, you like most in the Christian religion don’t truly believe that when Jesus DIED on the cross that it was really Jesus who DIED on the cross; only His cadaver body died but not Him.

to have been reborn on earth,

So for us “it is appointed for us once to die” but for our Lord and Saviour He died at least twice by your theology? Where are you getting this stuff from?

For as he was the earthly image of the “Son of Man,” ... He, the earthly image of the Lord our saviour,

You are bouncing back and forth. Which is it? Is Jesus Lord or was it “Enoch reborn

on earth in his chosen host body” or “the earthly image of the Lord”?

I tell ya, Christian theology is so confused that they don’t even know they are confused.

The concept of the transmutation, of the corruptible physical body into an incorruptible body of Light, is found, not only in the bible, but also in many of the eastern religions, and in ancient myths, and was the true goal of the ancient alchemists, even Sir Isaac Newton, who were searching for the “ ‘mystic seed’ of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge and wholly transmute the imperfect self into spiritual gold.” E. Underhill, Mysticism, p. 170.

You are doing exactly what we are warned about not to do… “tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;”. Yes there is some truths in a lot of the books outside the bible BUT they also are mixed with lies. Do you not realize that that is the most clever device of satan? Do you realize that this was also done when they translated the holy scriptures? I too once thought the book of Enoch should have stayed in canon but now I could pick it apart and show where some things in it are un- or anti- scripture.

continued next post

 

[AK4]

S-word
He is the first of many brothers who are chosen from the human race to inherit their share of the hidden Manna, which is the immortal body that was given for the elect and chosen.

I tell you, those who have eyes to see and ears to hear can spot all the doctrines of demons and that is why Jesus said “insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Can you see the doctrines in just this statement?

 

[S-word]

Please show me in the scripture [not bible translations] that calls the great tribulation THE great tribulation. Oh long after? Just what does the word immediate mean then here?


Mt 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days

So already we can see your whole premise is off and the unscriptural heresy of this rapture doctrine is.

quote=AK4; Please show me in the scripture [not bible translations] that calls the great tribulation THE great tribulation. Oh long after? Just what does the word immediate mean then here?
Mt 24: 21; King James, Amplified, Revised Standard, for starters.
Mt 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days

So already we can see your whole premise is off and the unscriptural heresy of this rapture doctrine is.

S-words response; Immediately after the great tribulation the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven (Meteorite showers) and the powers of heaven shall be shaken, etc. It is then that the Son of Man appears, who comes to rule the whole world with justice by means of the man he had chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death. See Acts 17: 31. Isaiah 13: 10; “For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in its going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the WORLD for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity, etc.

Joel 2: 10; “The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shinning, (The nuclear winter wherein the earth is enveloped in debris and rainbows will once more be unable to appear in our atmosphere) And the Lord (Not Jesus) shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible: and who can abide it?

There are more, but that should do for starters, when the powers of the heavens are shaken and the light of the sun, moon and stars are blocked from the earth, it is then the Son of Man, as promised in Acts 17: 31, comes to rule the whole world with Justice, on the day that he has fixed, which is the Sabbath of one thousand years, “The Day of The Lord.” A day in which rainbows cannot form and the world will be restored to its former glory, and the age of mankind will be increased as it was before the rainbow appeared for the first time after the flood.

In that day says Isaiah, all people will live out their full life span. A hundred year old person will be considered to be but a youngster etc.
It is after the thousand years have ended that the last trumpet will sound (See 1st Corinthians 15: 51-52) and the elect and chosen will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into glorious bodies of incorruptible light, and they shall be caught up to heaven to be with Jesus.


Knowing that which was to occur, and with the great wealth that was paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand years, genetic banks of all physical life forms would have been created, and when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain life, seeds will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord Jesus, our chosen king and high priest will say, “And now, let us make man in our image and likeness.”

Your two posts of questions will take many, many posts to answer, let this be the first of many.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the sky
The earth was clothed in purple, dark orange and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view
Dark smoke rose from the mountain peaks, earth’s veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth, in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, wave rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found.

The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose, destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but neigh on three long years
And the women who were pregnant, O God! The children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more

Then when the winter lifted and crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged, from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night, where even rainbows couldn’t form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years or twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were glowing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, yet far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter the heavenly light, which in time would spell man’s doom?.....By S-word.

Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn.” (Basra Encyclopedia).---De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p. 88.

“The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for sometime totally concentered in himself; … Afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts, animals are produced anew, an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth.” Seneca, Epist. 9, and Quaest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

 

[S-word]

Please show me in the scripture [not bible translations] that calls the great tribulation THE great tribulation. Oh long after? Just what does the word immediate mean then here?


Mt 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days

So already we can see your whole premise is off and the unscriptural heresy of this rapture doctrine is.



You are reading the scriptures with physical carnal eyes, making everything literal when in fact Jesus says “[all] My words are spirit” and that He “only spoke to the masses in parables”. I see you have fallen for the false prophets of doom scenario of the end times, no worry I was once deceived too. I can pick apart your argument with just plain questions because you are focused on the physical not the spiritual.

You are reading the scriptures with physical carnal eyes, making everything literal when in fact Jesus says “[all] My words are spirit”
Of course words are spirit, I may use words to whip “you” the mind/spirit that is developing within that physical body from all the spiritual food (Information) taken in through the senses of that body, and my words may sting “You” the mind/spirit and cut “you” to the core, but my words can never cut or harm your physical body.
It is the spirit/words that came down from the “Son of Man who is in heaven, which is our salvation. The spirit/words of our Lord and saviour, which were spoken through the mouth of his chosen servant Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord and saviour, who rose Jesus from death as the first of many brothers who are chosen from the dead past of the Son of Man, who is currently, at this point in three dimensional time, the spirit that is developing within the kingdom of God which is within you.

I see you have fallen for the false prophets of doom scenario of the end times, no worry I was once deceived too.
The doom of the wicked, the perverts and murderers and all those magic men, but the salvation of the righteous, who will live in a new world, free from those who twist and distort the minds of our children with their made up mystery stories of immortal gods crawling into the wombs of virgins where a human like body, which is not of the seed of the original human being from which all humans descend. Those preachers of the mysterious inventions of their own demented minds, who cannot see the world for what it is.

I can pick apart your argument with just plain questions because you are focused on the physical not the spiritual.
You may be able to pick your nose and your backside matey, because unless you focus on the physical, you will never understand the spiritual, which can only be revealed through the physical.

Romans 1: 18; “Gods anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. (These we now see are the spiritualists who would attempt to divide the immortal God , from the physical universal body in which he made himself manifest) God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain in the creation through which he reveals himself, wherein, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the physical creation. So these people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honour that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts (The thoughts of these so-called religious spiritually eyed mystery makers) have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness. They say they are wise (Just like you matey, just like you) but they are fools; instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images made to look like mortal man etc.”

So sit back and pick your nose and your backside while I continue to reveal your total ignorance to that which is recorded in Gods word, as I continue to answer every question that you have put to me in post 32. And we got a long way to go matey, a long way to go.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The resurrection of the dead is part of the Rapture Doctrine.
Jesus was not caught up in the clouds as a spirit but in His resurrected body. God is not limited to doing things with us in the exact same way that He did with Jesus.

Where does it say Jesus took one of his materialized bodies to heaven?
According to 1st Corinthians 15:50,45 doesn't it say 'flesh and blood' can Not inherit the kingdom?

 

[S-word]

Please show me in the scripture [not bible translations] that calls the great tribulation THE great tribulation. Oh long after? Just what does the word immediate mean then here?

Mt 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days

So already we can see your whole premise is off and the unscriptural heresy of this rapture doctrine is.

You are reading the scriptures with physical carnal eyes, making everything literal when in fact Jesus says “[all] My words are spirit” and that He “only spoke to the masses in parables”. I see you have fallen for the false prophets of doom scenario of the end times, no worry I was once deceived too. I can pick apart your argument with just plain questions because you are focused on the physical not the spiritual. Case in point---“war to end all wars”---do you actually believe and swallow the Christian hoax that God is actually in a battle with satan over His throne and to win souls?

Case in point---“war to end all wars”---do you actually believe and swallow the Christian hoax that God is actually in a battle with satan over His throne and to win souls?
No matey, I believe that Satan is the first born son of God the Father, who. Like Joseph the son of Jacob/Israel, who, in his youth wss always in his fathers face, accusing his brothers. I believe that Satan is obedient to his father as seen in the story of Job, God allowed his son Satan to go so far and no further and he would not dare to overstep the line that his father had drawn in the sand.

The war to end all wars was not between God and his son Satan, but between the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the nations of the world, who would drive Israel into the sea and into oblivion if not for his intervention.

Concerning the war to end all wars; Joel 3: 14-17; “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and foreigners will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet).

Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.” most Christians somehow (which is beyond my ability to comprehend) believe that this prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Lord sent, in his name “Who I Am,” the young Israelite Jesus, to do and say only that which he was commanded by the Lord who said; “They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.”

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle (The kingdom of God is within you) which temporary tabernacle is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh cooked to the bone will slide from their bodies while still standing. Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their cathedrals, of stone, marble or crystal, who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship my God.

 

[S-word]

quote=AK4; And if you do, do you realize that according to Christian teaching God loses the majority? Is your god that weak? Do you really believe nations is not symbolic of something else and that its literal and that every single nation will surround the corrupt abominable physical city of Jerusalem who God says is WORSE THAN Sodom, Gomorrah, and Samaria? Theres more as we go further into your post….
The weak imaginary god of the so-called Christians, who crawled into the womb of some supposed virgin, where He, who they reckon was an immortal god and co-creator of the cosmos, couldn’t even create a human like body for himself, but had to get his father who they reckon was the other co-creator of the cosmos to prepare a body for him. Their imaginary god couldn’t beat a fly with a broom stick, let alone the true Co-creator, “The Destroyer,” who is symbolised by the serpent and who destroys the old, only in order to make way for the new, much the same a “Shiva”.

And yes, the nations that will surround Jerusalem, are not symbolic of something else, but are the literal nations that will surround Jerusalem, which city, the Lord has punished severely for her former indiscretions and has forgiven her prostitution with the gods of the other nations and is prepared to protect his bride and will, “When”? In the great tribulation, after which, the nations of the earth that survive, will send their representatives, to go up to Jerusalem each year to worship and pay tribute to my Lord and King, who rose Jesus from death and will rule the whole world with justice.

quote=AK4; Think about this and let the scriptures answer for you and not mans reasonings. If you answer these questions with the scriptures it will tell you where and what heaven is, where is the His true temple, where God dwells and know that that physical carnal abominable city over there in Jerusalem is not where Gods temple is. Also
1. Where does Gods dwell?
2. Where is the temple of God?
3. Who and What is the temple of God?
4. Where is the heaven? [heaven through out scripture is almost always plural]
The Divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, was in, or rather, was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin that was spatially separated by the Big Bang and has become the entire universe and all therein. It is that universal animating life force/soul, to which all the information that is gathered through the senses of all the living creatures that it evolves into, and it rules the world at any given point in time, through the most high species that it has become. Before mankind, the eternal spirit ruled the world for 3 million odd years from within the body of the most high, which at that time was the dinosaurs; the upright walking reptile.

The kingdom of God is within you, we, the human body are his temporary tent/tabernacle, where He dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle until his son has built for him his new Temple of Light, of which Jesus, was the first fruits to be chosen from the dead past of the “Son of Man,” who is the first born Son of God. Jesus is the cornerstone to the new Temple in which God will dwell on earth among mankind and not within.

Jesus, the first of many brothers who are chosen from the body of mankind to inherit their share of the immortal body of God’s son, which is torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words/spirit that came down from the eighth eternal heaven of light, which is in the far distant future of we, who live according to three dimensional time.

And the spirit/words that will quicken our mortal bodies, came down from He, in the eighth eternal heaven of unapproachable light, in who, we of his dead past dwell, but who, in our time, is the spirit that is developing within the body of mankind in this the seventh heaven in his ascent to the eighth eternal heaven, for as he dwells in us, in our three dimensional time, so too, we dwell in him, in his fourth dimensional time.

And that Manna/words that came down through space and time, were spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who we once knew as a man and who, according to Acts 3:13; has been given divine glory by the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and who is now incontestably divine.

No man has ascended to heaven except, and that one exception was Enoch, who ascended to the ends of all things where he witnessed the universe roll up as a scroll, where the elements became so excited they burnt up and fell as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the great Abyss/Black Hole, where all that existed was condensed back to the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, where the Son of Man, the Most High in the creation said, “Let there be Light” as he witnessed the resurrection of the universal body in which He, the supreme personality of Godhead, had developed.

The eternal spirit which was in the beginning and is the divine animating principle that pervades all that was, is, and ever will be, is the life force/soul, to which all the information that is gathered through the senses of all the living creatures that he has evolved into, and Enoch was the first human spirit to be gathered to that evolving spirit, and Enoch was the cornerstone to the Temple that is the Son of Man, as in his ascent to the ends of this universal cycle, all the spirits of mankind were gathered to him in his evolution from man to supreme God.

But to attempt to equate the man Enoch to the “Son of Man” who, at the end of his evolution is the supreme personality of Godhead, would be comparable to equating you, to the very first organic molecule that was formed in the noxious primeval soup of the earth, from which molecule you have evolved.

It is that glorious simulacrum the great androgene in the eighth eternal heaven of light, who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of we, in the process of evolution. This he does, by releasing from the least to the greatest, those elect and chosen spirits from which he was formed, and Enoch, who was the first to be reborn on earth in the man Jesus, was the least in the kingdom of God, which is the eighth eternal heaven of unapproachable light. The sacrificial Lamb of God diminishes into nothingness, as the new species of Light beings develops upon the earth.

 

[S-word]

From the Book of Enoch the Prophet 37: 4; “Til the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given to me.”
This is verified by Genesis 5: 24: He spent his life in fellowship with God, and then he disappeared, because God had translated him. Hebrew 11: 5; “It was faith that kept Enoch from dying. Instead, he was taken up to God, and no one could find him, because God had taken him up (Into the future.)

In his ascent to the ends of time, Enoch was escorted by two angels to the ends of the great earth, where the heavens were completed, and in 18: 11; it is said; “And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike toward the height and toward the depth, and beyond that great abyss was nothing, a horrible waste.
Turning to one of the escorting angels, Enoch enquires what place was this, and the angel answered, (Verse 14) This place is the ends of the heavens and earth, and is the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven. Enoch then goes on to say; “And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things; and no man shall see as I have seen.”

Enoch, who was taken to heaven at the age of 365, is the one year old or 365 day old unblemished, which is sacrificed for the sins of man. It is written in the Pseudipegrapha of the Old Testament, that Enoch was carried to the throne of the most high, which was surrounded by glorious light creatures, and Michael was commanded to strip Enoch of his earthy garment and to anoint him with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the sun, and behold, he was as one of the glorious ones. Enoch the anointed one, who was clothed and girded with fire, was then chosen to serve God before the body of Adam/mankind into all eternity.

The Greek word, “Christ,” mean anointed and Enoch, the only exception of all mankind to have been anointed at the command of God, was the one who evolved within the body of mankind, by the gathering to him, of all the spirits of man in his ascent to the ends of time, is it He who is the true Christ to whom all the sins of the physical body in which he developed (Mankind) is ascribed, Psalms 51: 5; “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother (The body of mankind in which the spiritual Son of Man Develops) conceive me.”

After choosing Jesus as his heir, it was His immortal body that was torn asunder and poured out on those who believed his words as spoken by his servant Jesus who was filled with the spirit of Enoch, which descended upon him as he rose from the baptismal waters and the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father.” See the more ancient and correct translations of Luke 3: 22.

Jesus, who was the man Enoch reborn, was the first to be released from Enoch the glorious simulacrum (Blueprint) who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of his elect and chosen ones in the process of evolution, has this to say, 108: 11-13; And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved, And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved MY holy name (I Am Who I Am) and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for time without number.----And the sinners shall cry aloud and see them resplendent (In their immortal bodies of Light) and they (The sinners) shall go where days and seasons are prepared for them.

Paul says in 1st Corinthians 15, “There is a physical body, so there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first. The man Jesus who is referred to in scripture as the second Adam, and who was given divine glory by “Who I Am,” and is now incontestably divine, appeared to Saul/Paul in his new body of blinding light and revealed himself to Saul as “Jesus of Nazareth” and as we have borne the image of the first Adam, we who are chosen as heirs and the host bodies to those who received their share of the immortal body, who are to be reborn on earth and take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule with the Lord for the thousand years, will bear the image of the second Adam also.

Jesus was the first to inherit a share of the hidden Manna, the immortal body of He, to whom the sins of the body of mankind in which he, the Son of Man had developed, are ascribed.

 

[AK4]

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In that day says Isaiah, all people will live out their full life span. A hundred year old person will be considered to be but a youngster etc.
It is after the thousand years have ended that the last trumpet will sound (See 1st Corinthians 15: 51-52) and the elect and chosen will be changed

Where do you get that the last trumpet is sounded AFTER the "1000" years? Your time line is contrary to scripture. At the last trump that is when the elect is gathered "from the four winds" and they return with Christ and those who were dead in Christ "on white horses" to help rule and judge/heal the nations [you know the trees by the river of living water coming from the throne mentioned in Revelation. The trees are the elect and the risen dead in Christ]. That is the beginning of the "eons of the eons" or the "1000"years---you do know the number 1000 is just symbolic and not literal? Jesus and the elect judge the world in righteousness and the inhabitants of the world then learn righteousness [Isa 26:9]. I dont know where you got that timeline that Jesus comes back then a thousand years later the last trump sounds.....oh wait i do. Thats part of the teaching of the rapture that is being taught out there called the two administrations/two seperate "raptures". The confusion comes from the spurious passage Rev 20:5

Rev. 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished*

You do know this verse was not in the oldest complete manuscripts right?

http://www.bibletoday.com/htstb/spurious.htm

Knowing that which was to occur, and with the great wealth that was paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand years, genetic banks of all physical life forms would have been created, and when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain life, seeds will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord Jesus, our chosen king and high priest will say, “And now, let us make man in our image and likeness.”

This is way off. Jesus began making man in His and His God image way back in Genesis. Do you think this "experience of evil"[Ecc 1:13] we all experience is now and then back then experience was for nothing? Like i said in the other post if you have eyes to see you can notice the false doctrines that is imbedding in all of the christian teachings. Just here we have "the fall" and "freewill". Well the doctrine of freewill is permeated in all the doctrines of christianity so no surprise here.

Your two posts of questions will take many, many posts to answer, let this be the first of many.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the sky
The earth was clothed in purple, dark orange and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view
Dark smoke rose from the mountain peaks, earth’s veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth, in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, wave rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found.

The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose, destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but neigh on three long years
And the women who were pregnant, O God! The children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more

Then when the winter lifted and crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged, from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night, where even rainbows couldn’t form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years or twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were glowing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, yet far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter the heavenly light, which in time would spell man’s doom?.....By S-word.

Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn.” (Basra Encyclopedia).---De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p. 88.

“The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for sometime totally concentered in himself; … Afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts, animals are produced anew, an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth.” Seneca, Epist. 9, and Quaest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

There is one thing to use the planets and stars to tell "the times and the seasons" and then there is the worshipping of these. You may want to think on if you are doing the same thing that not only the ancient hebrews did but also the egyptians and many other cultures did. What does God say about this?

De 4:19 - "And {beware} not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

De 17:3 - and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded,

I noticed also that you bring up Jupiter alot. You may want to consider if you are worshipping these "starry hosts".