The Reason Two-State Solution is Unachievable

[sayak83]

Oh sorry I wasn't aware that I was interacting with someone like you.


So long story short you just imagine what the word means according to you, not what it meant at the time in context.

That's fair, for you. Just don't expect others to join you in that.



So on top of not reading the Balfour Declaration you also didn't read the White Paper which literally stopped Jews from fleeing oppression elsewhere.

Again, fair.


It's okay, the Arabs also oppressed the Jews in their countries and finally expelled them.

They now are back in Israel not being Dhimmis to the Muslims.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how annoyed are you at that fact?

Actually I got the context and the facts perfectly. People who blindly support a cause due to religious biases will deliberately see everything but the obvious.

Ottoman Empire had historically been far more tolerant and welcoming to the Jews than the European Christian nations.
History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

The facts are simple. Due to persecution in Europe, Jews found living in Europe impossible. The British promoted and tolerated a policy of allowing Jews to resettle in lands where they have been a miniscule minority for 1500 years, altering it's demographics and hence eventually creating a colonial immigrant nation. The world is continuing to suffer for the disasters of colonialism and Israel-Palestine war is a prime example of this.

 

[metis]

...and you want us to be impressed enough to genocide the Palestinain people?

Me does believe you got this backwards, but thus has been discussed ad nauseum. Who attack who in 10-7?

Enough with the BS.

 

[metis]

The world is continuing to suffer for the disasters of colonialism and Israel-Palestine war is a prime example of this.

Again, as in my last post, who attacked whom 0n 10-7?

If you seek the real culprit here, all you have to do is to look for Iran.

 

[icehorse]

It is also natural for Palestinians to support Hamas in the face to dehumanising violence, terror and oppression by the state of Israel.

As long as this narrative is pushed, there will be no peace.

 

[sayak83]

Again, as in my last post, who attacked whom 0n 10-7?

If you seek the real culprit here, all you have to do is to look for Iran.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and like ISIS it should never have been allowed to govern a land.
Israel's continued settlement expansion and repression and fracturing of Palestine is also equally criminal. So is it's indiscriminate bombing of Palestine causing 30,000 civillian deaths and counting. Israel's govt should be prosecuted for state terror and all their leaders jailed or hanged...in parallel with Hamas.

I hope my position is clear.

 

[sayak83]

As long as this narrative is pushed, there will be no peace.

True things are true.
Peace at the cost of extermination of either Palestine national hopes or Israel as a nation state is not worth having.

 

[icehorse]

True things are true.
Peace at the cost of extermination of either Palestine national hopes or Israel as a nation state is not worth having.

But your premise is NOT true. It's popular, no doubt, but it's not true. And working from a true context is essential.

 

[metis]

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and like ISIS it should never have been allowed to govern a land.
Israel's continued settlement expansion and repression and fracturing of Palestine is also equally criminal. So is it's indiscriminate bombing of Palestine causing 30,000 civillian deaths and counting. Israel's govt should be prosecuted for state terror and all their leaders jailed or hanged...in parallel with Hamas.

I hope my position is clear.

Hamas is the duly elected government in Gaza, so just calling it a "terrorist organization" misses the mark.

Secondly, how do you supposedly know it's been "indiscriminate bombing", especially since Hamas blends itself into the population, including putting its tunnels and storing its weapons in highly condensed areas?

For prosecuting Israel for "state terror" is a strong commentary on your ignorance of urban and strategic warfare during the latter 20th century and now the 21st century.

As far as "hanged" is concerned, there's no moral reason to do such with jails and prisons available, imo.

BTW, I have studied in the Middle East, including spending some time in the WB both in 1991 and 1998. Imagine this blonde-haired blue eyed guy walking by himself, taking the Palestinian buses, going for a camel ride while wearing my Aussie bush hat-- iow I stuck out like a sore thumb.

I hope I made my position based on experience and study clear, so I have 0 respect for your *staff edit*. Do I make my position clear? If not, then that's your problem and I'm not going to deal with that.

 

[Yerda]

Do I make my position clear?

Read like: It's ok to murder Palestinians because Hamas are bad.

 

[icehorse]

Read like: It's ok to murder Palestinians because Hamas are bad.

 

[danieldemol]

Me does believe you got this backwards, but thus has been discussed ad nauseum. Who attack who in 10-7?

Enough with the BS.

This looks irrelevant to my point for 2 reasons.
1. The history did not start on that date.
2. Those 36% of Gazans and 14% of West Bank citizens who agree to a permanent two state solution are worth saving if it is at all practical, the OP appears to me to be trying to blackwash that significant subset of people using a biased non-scientific survey and this further suggests to me that his motive is their 100% destruction (ie genocide).

No BS required in my view.

 

[sayak83]

Hamas is the duly elected government in Gaza, so just calling it a "terrorist organization" misses the mark.

Secondly, how do you supposedly know it's been "indiscriminate bombing", especially since Hamas blends itself into the population, including putting its tunnels and storing its weapons in highly condensed areas?

For prosecuting Israel for "state terror" is a strong commentary on your ignorance of urban and strategic warfare during the latter 20th century and now the 21st century.

As far as "hanged" is concerned, there's no moral reason to do such with jails and prisons available, imo.

BTW, I have studied in the Middle East, including spending some time in the WB both in 1991 and 1998. Imagine this blonde-haired blue eyed guy walking by himself, taking the Palestinian buses, going for a camel ride while wearing my Aussie bush hat-- iow I stuck out like a sore thumb.

I hope I made my position based on experience and study clear, so I have 0 respect for your know-it-all arrogance. Do I make my position clear? If not, then that's your problem and I'm not going to deal with that.

Nazis were also elected. Any organisation that uses terror as a tool is a terrorist organisation, elected government or not.
Any bombing campaign that kills more or similar number of civilians than combatants is indiscriminate. Most bombing campaigns of 20th and 21st century have been indiscriminate in that precise sense.
Solution is ground occupation and painstaking removal tunnel by tunnel. It will have more army casualties, but that is the cost. Apparently it has become kosher to kill citizens of other nation's if it saves lives of soldiers. I am sure Israel would not be bombing like this if Hamas occupied Israeli territory and hiding in buildings and containing Israeli citizens. Would they?

 

[metis]

Any bombing campaign that kills more or similar number of civilians than combatants is indiscriminate.

That is 100% complete nonsense. How many civilians were killed during WWII? It is estimated by some that roughly 90% of people killed were civilians. And who were the aggressors on 10-7? And how do these aggressors mix in with the population and build tunnels in sensitive and heavy-populated areas?

Get real.