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The Regime's “Cyber Action Against Russia” isn’t about Russia

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The OBAMA-CLINTON-BUSH plans for an “unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election” has nothing to do with “Russia”.

There is an entire movement, sometimes called advocates for “Open Docs”, or “Full Disclosure” and advocates of open access to public information, around the philosophy that all political donations including those currently illegally practiced but not disclosed, all donations to so-called “foundations” and “charities” linked to politicians and those in political power and office, all meetings between government officials and lobby based organizations or lawyers or corporations or private interests or foreign interests and especially any of those which are requesting access in return for favors or for that matter any advocacy for their own private or foreign interests, and of course any such meetings in which exchanges of money or “donations” or items of value, must be fully documented, recorded both in audio and video and on paper, and fully available and disclosed to the public as freedom of information so as to prevent crony capitalism and special interests and foreign entities influencing the government class and their unelected bureaucrats and to prevent collusions between the government class and private, globalist, foreign interests in pay for play or profitable influence peddling and monetary exchange.

These advocates for “Open Docs”, “Public Freedom of Information” and “Full Disclosure” come from both sides of the spectrum, left or right or in the middle. They also advocate that if the government class is not, and will not, be open and disclose such information to the public which they claim they serve, than it is fair game to discover such information including hacking such information from corrupt government and political agents who are often actually agents of foreign governments or are in corrupt collusion with the corporate media.

Have what you will with your personal feelings about such detective work by advocates for the citizenry to their right to know, most of these are not “Russia” even if Russia was one of the six nations which hacked Hillary Clinton’s private servers and “smart” phones because she is a computer illiterate.

The real purpose of cyber covert action against Russia is not to target Russia, but to target any advocacy of Open Docs and such organizations and persons and to attack the free media that is not part of corporate power structure media in full collusion with a regime, claim they are “Russians” and then hack them, attack them, character assassinate them, threaten their families while data mining them, silence them, criminalize them, and kill them. As well as their families.

For example, they want to hack and criminalize and kill anyone involved with Wikileaks to stop the message and the revelations because it exposes their corruptions, collusion, including with foreign governments and their agents and with corporate and industrial and globalist agents and with corporate media. This is not about stopping foreign influence in elections, it is about continuing and hiding from the public foreign influence in elections as well hiding crony capitalist agendas and influence in the elections by exterminating anyone and anything that exposes their government class collusion with foreign agents and corporate interests, using cyber intelligence to use this intelligence to exterminate any such advocacy and advocates of full disclosure to the public.

For example, they will say Michael Savage is a Russian agent. They will build a case to have him imprisoned. They will say Julian Assange is “Russia”. They will get the information so they can kill him with a drone or by any means necessary so the government class can continue their collusion with foreign governments and agents including Russia if they think it is in their empowerment to do so.

It is like “Fast and Furious”. Take a so-called “legitimate” operation and then purposely put guns in the hands of Mexican cartel in order to say, “see, guns from gun dealers in the US are getting in the hands of the Mexican cartel so we need to take away the citizen’s Second Amendment rights”…

This has nothing to do with Russia. It is about a cyber attack on all of us. We will all soon be surprised to find out that we are “Russia”. Which is convenient also, since the regime wants to go to war with Russia, besides. It does not matter if you are left or right, or in the middle. If you believe in full disclosure for whatever is your politics, you will be declared “Russian” and then the cyber intelligence will be used to plan your total destruction, that of your family, implement this assassination, destruction or death sentence.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Crazy! Obama will go to war with Russia to cover Hillary's emails?
Watch, wait, and see what happens.

Obama is clearly instituting and directing all of this.

It hasn't even been proven Russia is even behind it.

That's what's crazy.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The OBAMA-CLINTON-BUSH plans for an “unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election” has nothing to do with “Russia”.

There is an entire movement, sometimes called advocates for “Open Docs”, or “Full Disclosure” and advocates of open access to public information, around the philosophy that all political donations including those currently illegally practiced but not disclosed, all donations to so-called “foundations” and “charities” linked to politicians and those in political power and office, all meetings between government officials and lobby based organizations or lawyers or corporations or private interests or foreign interests and especially any of those which are requesting access in return for favors or for that matter any advocacy for their own private or foreign interests, and of course any such meetings in which exchanges of money or “donations” or items of value, must be fully documented, recorded both in audio and video and on paper, and fully available and disclosed to the public as freedom of information so as to prevent crony capitalism and special interests and foreign entities influencing the government class and their unelected bureaucrats and to prevent collusions between the government class and private, globalist, foreign interests in pay for play or profitable influence peddling and monetary exchange.

These advocates for “Open Docs”, “Public Freedom of Information” and “Full Disclosure” come from both sides of the spectrum, left or right or in the middle. They also advocate that if the government class is not, and will not, be open and disclose such information to the public which they claim they serve, than it is fair game to discover such information including hacking such information from corrupt government and political agents who are often actually agents of foreign governments or are in corrupt collusion with the corporate media.

Have what you will with your personal feelings about such detective work by advocates for the citizenry to their right to know, most of these are not “Russia” even if Russia was one of the six nations which hacked Hillary Clinton’s private servers and “smart” phones because she is a computer illiterate.

The real purpose of cyber covert action against Russia is not to target Russia, but to target any advocacy of Open Docs and such organizations and persons and to attack the free media that is not part of corporate power structure media in full collusion with a regime, claim they are “Russians” and then hack them, attack them, character assassinate them, threaten their families while data mining them, silence them, criminalize them, and kill them. As well as their families.

For example, they want to hack and criminalize and kill anyone involved with Wikileaks to stop the message and the revelations because it exposes their corruptions, collusion, including with foreign governments and their agents and with corporate and industrial and globalist agents and with corporate media. This is not about stopping foreign influence in elections, it is about continuing and hiding from the public foreign influence in elections as well hiding crony capitalist agendas and influence in the elections by exterminating anyone and anything that exposes their government class collusion with foreign agents and corporate interests, using cyber intelligence to use this intelligence to exterminate any such advocacy and advocates of full disclosure to the public.

For example, they will say Michael Savage is a Russian agent. They will build a case to have him imprisoned. They will say Julian Assange is “Russia”. They will get the information so they can kill him with a drone or by any means necessary so the government class can continue their collusion with foreign governments and agents including Russia if they think it is in their empowerment to do so.

It is like “Fast and Furious”. Take a so-called “legitimate” operation and then purposely put guns in the hands of Mexican cartel in order to say, “see, guns from gun dealers in the US are getting in the hands of the Mexican cartel so we need to take away the citizen’s Second Amendment rights”…

This has nothing to do with Russia. It is about a cyber attack on all of us. We will all soon be surprised to find out that we are “Russia”. Which is convenient also, since the regime wants to go to war with Russia, besides. It does not matter if you are left or right, or in the middle. If you believe in full disclosure for whatever is your politics, you will be declared “Russian” and then the cyber intelligence will be used to plan your total destruction, that of your family, implement this assassination, destruction or death sentence.

All of this would be believable if Putin's emails regarding Ukraine or Syria were hacked by the group, or Iran's, or the emails and documents of the Chinese government and their plans regarding Tibet, Hong Kong or Taiwan. As it stands, Wikileaks etc. is simply an anti-democratic and anti-Western group sponsored by these totalitarian regimes to conduct cyber-war against liberal democracies. They should be hunted down and jailed. Tyrannies have always tried to exploit the good natured gullibility of folks of liberal nations to sow doubts and demoralize them into inaction (Hitler and Stalin are great examples). This is nothing new.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Cyber war has been going on for years without many realizing. Cyber attacks and espionage has already been going on. Nobody is going to ignore attacks coming from any country, it would be in our best interests not to ignore the stuff.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/26...-all-out-cyber-war-on-the-u-s--has-begun.html

However our government is not going to purposely start a cyber war if they can help it. Though many want Obama to do more about this issue which has been going on for a while. Allegations about Obama in this thread are unfounded. Not surprising.

"While Trump is sympathetic to America’s enemies, Obama has not done nearly enough to make them pay a price for their attacks. There has been no retaliation at all, apparently for fear of starting a cyberwar, although the White House promises“proportional” retaliation will arrive eventually. The range of options is vast, ranging from tougher economic sanctions on Russia to criminal indictments of Russian hackers to cyber attacks on Russian officials. How would Putin and his cronies like to see their emails published for the whole world to read?

This is an unprecedented attack on the fabric of American democracy designed either to elect Donald Trump — the most pro-Russian presidential candidate in history — or simply to sow confusion and doubt about the legitimacy of our political system. Either way, the Kremlin wins. Obama needs to make clear to Putin that he will pay a very high price for what he is doing. And voters need to reject the Kremlin’s comrade on Nov. 8."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ails-hackers-cyber-warfare-max-boot/91940364/
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Am I the only one who sees something beautiful in this?
Let the USA and Russia and China and Iran and everyone else launch wars on governments ability to lie to their people and coordinate military campaigns. I'm good with that part of this.
Tom
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
This has nothing to do with Russia. It is about a cyber attack on all of us. We will all soon be surprised to find out that we are “Russia”. Which is convenient also, since the regime wants to go to war with Russia, besides. It does not matter if you are left or right, or in the middle. If you believe in full disclosure for whatever is your politics, you will be declared “Russian” and then the cyber intelligence will be used to plan your total destruction, that of your family, implement this assassination, destruction or death sentence.
This was since June.
As of yet, there’s no evidence anyone other than Russia breached the DNC.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...at-we-know-about-russias-role-dnc-email-leak/

Oddly enough Trump refuses to believe Intelligence.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...elligence-briefing-russia-20161014-story.html
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Am I the only one who sees something beautiful in this?
Let the USA and Russia and China and Iran and everyone else launch wars on governments ability to lie to their people and coordinate military campaigns. I'm good with that part of this.
Tom
That part isn't all that bad until cyber war starts hitting our infrastructure and banking systems.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
That part isn't all that bad until cyber war starts hitting our infrastructure and banking systems.
The problem I see is that it seems to be nearly always USA assests degraded, and Democratic party ones.
Like the republicans never email nasty things? Putin?
How did the RNC keep their plans to steal the nomination from Trump secret? Why aren't Chinese or Russian top secret info being hacked by Assange et al. ?

Tom
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The problem I see is that it seems to be nearly always USA assests degraded, and Democratic party ones.
Like the republicans never email nasty things? Putin?
How did the RNC keep their plans to steal the nomination from Trump secret? Why aren't Chinese or Russian top secret info being hacked by Assange et al. ?

Tom
Oh I understand what you mean. Don't know but apparently whoever hacked and or released the data has an agenda which is anti-Hillary. Trump encouraging the espionage really makes the tech in me cringe to imagine him as commander and chief.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That part isn't all that bad until cyber war starts hitting our infrastructure and banking systems.
It's not the damage as much as to who's actually doing things like that first.

No matter what party,

I think the worst and most destructive travisties in history are commited by those who possess a shoot first, ask questions later approach. "First confirm your target before you engage" as soldiers say.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
It's not the damage as much as to who's actually doing things like that first.

No matter what party,

I think the worst and most destructive travisties in history are commited by those who possess a shoot first, ask questions later approach. "First confirm your target before you engage" as soldiers say.
The people looking at all that stuff are who are saying who did what but I am not privy to there information. However all I see is people saying Obama is not doing enough, complete opposite of people saying Obama trying to start something.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Oh I understand what you mean. Don't know but apparently whoever hacked and or released the data has an agenda which is anti-Hillary. Trump encouraging the espionage really makes the tech in me cringe to imagine him as commander and chief.
They also seem to equate the Democrats with the USA.
Back when Assange and Wikileaks first started attacking the USA I waited for the other shoe to drop. Russian secrets, Chinese secrets, whatever.
It never happened.
Now they have managed to hack the DNC and brought down Wasserman Schultz.
But curiously, none of Priebus' emails are being dumped. He was the RNC chair when they were desperately trying to head off Trump. Don't tell me those emails don't exist.
Apparently Putin doesn't find them useful. But he sure doesn't want Hillary to be president.
Tom
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
They also seem to equate the Democrats with the USA.
Back when Assange and Wikileaks first started attacking the USA I waited for the other shoe to drop. Russian secrets, Chinese secrets, whatever.
It never happened.
Now they have managed to hack the DNC and brought down Wasserman Schultz.
But curiously, none of Priebus' emails are being dumped. He was the RNC chair when they were desperately trying to head off Trump. Don't tell me those emails don't exist.
Apparently Putin doesn't find them useful. But he sure doesn't want Hillary to be president.
Tom
With all the mess I would love to see some of everyone's stuff. It's so one sided, I agree, there would certainly be stuff on everyone. But heck I also get the idea NSA already has all the juice themselves. If there is anything worth knowing it will eventually come out.

On a side note I can't wait till the Snowden movie comes out, it looked pretty cool, and a bit scary from a privacy standpoint.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Cyber war has been going on for years without many realizing. Cyber attacks and espionage has already been going on. Nobody is going to ignore attacks coming from any country, it would be in our best interests not to ignore the stuff.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/26...-all-out-cyber-war-on-the-u-s--has-begun.html

However our government is not going to purposely start a cyber war if they can help it. Though many want Obama to do more about this issue which has been going on for a while. Allegations about Obama in this thread are unfounded. Not surprising.

"While Trump is sympathetic to America’s enemies, Obama has not done nearly enough to make them pay a price for their attacks. There has been no retaliation at all, apparently for fear of starting a cyberwar, although the White House promises“proportional” retaliation will arrive eventually. The range of options is vast, ranging from tougher economic sanctions on Russia to criminal indictments of Russian hackers to cyber attacks on Russian officials. How would Putin and his cronies like to see their emails published for the whole world to read?

This is an unprecedented attack on the fabric of American democracy designed either to elect Donald Trump — the most pro-Russian presidential candidate in history — or simply to sow confusion and doubt about the legitimacy of our political system. Either way, the Kremlin wins. Obama needs to make clear to Putin that he will pay a very high price for what he is doing. And voters need to reject the Kremlin’s comrade on Nov. 8."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ails-hackers-cyber-warfare-max-boot/91940364/

Russia doesn't have to be viewed as an enemy all because of the name of Hillary.
Confidence doesn't equate to physical evidence.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
The problem I see is that it seems to be nearly always USA assests degraded, and Democratic party ones.
Like the republicans never email nasty things? Putin?
How did the RNC keep their plans to steal the nomination from Trump secret? Why aren't Chinese or Russian top secret info being hacked by Assange et al. ?

Tom

I'd imagine because nobody else was as negligent and careless with their emails.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
With all the mess I would love to see some of everyone's stuff. It's so one sided, I agree, there would certainly be stuff on everyone. But heck I also get the idea NSA already has all the juice themselves. If there is anything worth knowing it will eventually come out.

On a side note I can't wait till the Snowden movie comes out, it looked pretty cool, and a bit scary from a privacy standpoint.

Everyone else's stuff was more protected by not being negligent.
I'd imagine if Wikileaks released stuff on Trump it would be believed, but since it's Hillary Wikileaks can't be believed. I can only imagine how much then Wikileaks would be trusted if it started bombarding the Republican's and Trump.
When people are negligent, it opens this door. Rather than taking responsibility they blame Russia.
 
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