The Religion for Everyone

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe that Science and Religion are extremely important and should work together, each having its special role. Science helps us to have accurate existential beliefs (about the nature of the world and what is likely to happen, including what is likely to happen if we do certain things). Religion is our adult study of how best to live our lives, our ethical beliefs (about what we should and should not do). One without the other is dangerous. But our religions are still quite burdened with outmoded existential beliefs, and are very disorganized in their approaches to ethical beliefs. In fact, our religions tend to turn us against each other. This does not have to happen. Humanianity is, I believe, the way to go, and it has been an emerging process, though it is very, very early in its development. It is explained in detail at:
HUMANIANITY HOME
It may be our way of coming together as a species over this century.

Einstein said: Science w/o religion is lame, religion w/o science is blind.

Science without religion is moral ignorance because no one is accountable.
Run-afoul religions, or ' secular religions ' [ example Aztec's human sacrifices ] are wrong.
So, blind faith [ credulity ] is also wrong. Just because man can do it, does not mean one should do it.

Human science tries to replace God, and as far as teaching evolution goes tries to erase God.
But evolution can't erase human history. Science rushes in to fill a spiritual void, but even brilliant men can be lead into corruption by the political and the almighty dollar. As scientific human effort advances so does crime, violence, pollution, etc. The misapplication of scientific knowledge having science as its ' tool ' has made such knowledge as an Idol. That ' Idol ' does not lead or direct men to bring about moral changes needed for ' coming together '.

In 2008 wasn't the slogan ' change you can believe in' ? In 2012 what changed? In 2016, in what is supposed to be the best system of government, what will change because people can Not take the Creator's place with human achievements.

The only way of ' coming together ' in this century is when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. We are nearing the coming ' time of separation' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 when humble 'sheep'-like people can continue living on earth right into the start of Jesus' millennium-long day of reigning over earth, or over earthly subjects of God's kingdom.

- Psalm 72 v 8; Rev. 22 v 2

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

I'm sure we are both down on things like creationism, etc. But can you explain this a little more please, I'm interested.


No. Can you whet our appetites a little.

Yes. Go to the Humanianity Home site and go down about half way on the page to where it describes the Belief Manual. Then, go to the Belief Manual and register. You can then contribute to the Belief Manual, and you can see how many others agree with you. You can build your own Belief Manual. You can join a Humanian organization, if you wish, and then your Belief Manual contributes to that organization's Belief Manual. Everyone can see its Belief Manual. Everyone can share with everyone.

This project is at its very beginning. There is nothing else like it (at least as far as I know). And it is very needed. It is one of the things that each of us can contribute to our future offspring. It is a contribution I wish to make before I die (no plans to do so anytime soon, but what do I know?). So I will be interested in what your thoughts are as you develop an increasingly accurate picture of what it is. I will appreciate any ideas for improvement, also.

 

[Avi1001]

Thank you, Bill. What do you think is the main difference between the definitions of humanism and humanianity ? It seems to me they are the same thing .

Also, are you a cult ?

Humanism does not define itself the same as Humanianity. As it says, you don't have to join a group to be Humanian. It is easy to stereotype.

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

Einstein said: Science w/o religion is lame, religion w/o science is blind.

Science without religion is moral ignorance because no one is accountable.
Run-afoul religions, or ' secular religions ' [ example Aztec's human sacrifices ] are wrong.
So, blind faith [ credulity ] is also wrong. Just because man can do it, does not mean one should do it.

Human science tries to replace God, and as far as teaching evolution goes tries to erase God.
But evolution can't erase human history. Science rushes in to fill a spiritual void, but even brilliant men can be lead into corruption by the political and the almighty dollar. As scientific human effort advances so does crime, violence, pollution, etc. The misapplication of scientific knowledge having science as its ' tool ' has made such knowledge as an Idol. That ' Idol ' does not lead or direct men to bring about moral changes needed for ' coming together '.

In 2008 wasn't the slogan ' change you can believe in' ? In 2012 what changed? In 2016, in what is supposed to be the best system of government, what will change because people can Not take the Creator's place with human achievements.

The only way of ' coming together ' in this century is when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. We are nearing the coming ' time of separation' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 when humble 'sheep'-like people can continue living on earth right into the start of Jesus' millennium-long day of reigning over earth, or over earthly subjects of God's kingdom.

- Psalm 72 v 8; Rev. 22 v 2

I agree with much you have said. But I look at Christianity and the Bible differently than you do. I believe Christianity is a strong effort in the direction of Humanianity, but it has ingredients in it that hold it back. Progressive Christianity is Christianity moving in a Humanian direction. There are other religious traditions moving in that direction, also.

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

Thank you, Bill. What do you think is the main difference between the definitions of humanism and humanianity ? It seems to me they are the same thing .

Also, are you a cult ?

The definition of Humanianity is given at the beginning of the Home page. You can look up humanism's definition. I believe humanism is indeed a form of emergence of Humanianity.

What is a cult? Is there anything about Humanianity that would make it fit the definition?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I consider Humanianity and Idioddity.

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

I consider Humanianity and Idioddity.

Why?

 

[George-ananda]

Why?

Bill, you are not following your position to not respond to hostility.

*EDIT*

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

Bill, you are not following your position to not respond to hostility.

That dude hates everything. As a child he was Mikey in the Life cereal commercial.

I did not say that I do not respond to hostility. I said that I do not believe in being hostile. I'm sure he has understandable reason for his anger. I want to understand him and also how he is viewing Humanianity, because maybe I can correct an error in that understanding. Or maybe he is correct, and Humanianity is indeed whatever he means by his term.

 

[Avi1001]

I'm afraid I am going to have to differ here, Bill. I have read your dogma and would say you have copied the ideas of humanism, without referencing them. That makes you a plagiarist.

Please let us know if you have any ideas that differentiate you from humanism. Btw, I am a humanist, and I don't like people pilfering our ideas without referencing them. At least reference Noam Chomsky somewhere on your webpage.

Also, I suspect you are a cult, because you are a charismatic leader assembling a group of followers. Please explain why we should not believe this is the case.

The definition of Humanianity is given at the beginning of the Home page. You can look up humanism's definition. I believe humanism is indeed a form of emergence of Humanianity.

What is a cult? Is there anything about Humanianity that would make it fit the definition?

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

I'm afraid I am going to have to differ here, Bill. I have read your dogma and would say you have copied the ideas of humanism, without referencing them. That makes you a plagiarist.

Please let us know if you have any ideas that differentiate you from humanism.

Also, I suspect you are a cult, because you are a charismatic leader assembling a group of followers. Please explain why we should not believe this is the case.

What is the dogma of Humanianity? Please remember that I am just one Humanian. There is no guarantee that my views are correct. What ideas of humanism have I copied? What is the evidence for that? Thank you for the compliment that I am charismatic. However, I don't think there is any evidence that I am. And I am not the leader of Humanianity. I am just someone who is promoting the idea. Maybe I am wrong. We will have to see. If I am assembling a group of followers, what is it that they would be following? I am advocating for the REUEP. Is that a wrong thing to do?

 

[Avi1001]

As far as I am concerned, you have misspelled the word humanist as humananist and have not even referenced Noam Chomsky. So I must assume this is a prank.

Also, if you are not the leader of this group who is ?

Further, you claim to be a doctor, what kind of doctor do you claim to be ? Finally, where were you on the night of Nov. 26 at 7PM ?

What is the dogma of Humanianity? Please remember that I am just one Humanian. There is no guarantee that my views are correct. What ideas of humanism have I copied? What is the evidence for that? Thank you for the compliment that I am charismatic. However, I don't think there is any evidence that I am. And I am not the leader of Humanianity. I am just someone who is promoting the idea. Maybe I am wrong. We will have to see. If I am assembling a group of followers, what is it that they would be following? I am advocating for the REUEP. Is that a wrong thing to do?

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

As far as I am concerned, you have misspelled the word humanist as humananist and have not even referenced Noam Chomsky. So I must assume this is a prank.

Also, if you are not the leader of this group who is ?

Further, you claim to be a doctor, what kind of doctor do you claim to be. Finally, where were you on the night of Nov. 26 at 7PM ?

I am a semi-retired psychiatrist, retiring as of the end of this year. My occupation has contributed to who I am and what I believe, but that just has to do with who I am. It doesn't make me correct in my thinking.

There is no leader of "this group," and it is not a group. There are Humanian organizations, but just beginning. You can start a Humanian organization if you wish. But you don't have to be in such an organization to be Humanian. You don't have to tell anyone if you are Humanian. If Humanians do get to know each other and stimulate each others' thinking, that will help our species, I believe. Do you think otherwise? Why?

 

[Avi1001]

I like you Bill, I suggest we start a Humanian DIR and you can be the Staff. That would be the first one to let me in

Btw..do you have any interest in reform Judaism (small "r") ?

I am a semi-retired psychiatrist, retiring as of the end of this year. My occupation has contributed to who I am and what I believe, but that just has to do with who I am. It doesn't make me correct in my thinking.

There is no leader of "this group," and it is not a group. There are Humanian organizations, but just beginning. You can start a Humanian organization if you wish. But you don't have to be in such an organization to be Humanian. You don't have to tell anyone if you are Humanian. If Humanians do get to know each other and stimulate each others' thinking, that will help our species, I believe. Do you think otherwise? Why?

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

I like you Bill, I suggest we start a Humanian DIR and you can be the Staff. That would be the first one to let me in

Btw..do you have any interest in reform Judaism (small "r") ?

What is a DIR?

I don't know anything about reform Judaism. Do you have a summary description, or a link to one?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

' secular religions ' [ example Aztec's human sacrifices ] are wrong.

First time I've heard Aztec sacrifice and 'secular religion' linked. Any reason you went that route?

 

[Avi1001]

Bill...no one knows what DIR stands for.....but the DIR's don't care much for me...

reform Judaism is pretty much the same as humananism.....except that we believe in G-d. But we do not have any agreement on who G-d is or what he does...or if we should call him.....he...she....or....it.

That's why if you start a humananism DIR we can pretty much fit all the other...little itty bitty DIR's in your big DIR....and that will make you the mother of all DIR's...... Does that sound cool and groovy ?

What is a DIR?

I don't know anything about reform Judaism. Do you have a summary description, or a link to one?

 

[Walk_Like_Enoch]

Bill,

I think what you are proposing is probably basically good things. It's sounds like Jesus' Golden Rule. I think almost everyone would agree with REUP in general but the devil would be in the details.

If I could interject a reference to something George-ananda said earlier, details are indeed important.
Humananity's REUP sounds alright, though it is in some sense derived from Jesus' golden rule.
Therefore, whatever you want others to do for you, do also the same for them—this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matthew 7:12 (HCSB)

Humananity seems to be about an ethical maxim only (as evidenced by the appeal to adherents from all religions).
Religion is man's reaching for Transcendence, for God.
In that sense, it does not seem that Humananity can be properly called a religion nor is it even unique as an ethical maxim.
Culturally, Westerners have a guilt-innocence orientation to understanding right and wrong which is due in no small part to the Christian heritage of Western society. As such, it seems the author of the webpage for Humananity is borrowing moral capital (and without even citing his sources! Boy, his English professor would be ticked! )

That is not to say that one cannot reason one's way to morality. If something is truly beneficial and the "right" way to live, you'd expect that it would bring about the best results in a verifiable way.
However, the source for one's understanding of right and wrong must have grounding, answering the "why" question as well as integrating a complete "wholistic" worldview to understand this thing we call life. If there is no absolute moral "ought," why should being nice to people make the world a better place? (I say this by way of argumentation only)

I think it'd be interesting to pursue this idea a little, if y'all don't mind:
As with the example of humananity (i.e. ethical maxim adaptable to any religion)...
Should morality be separated from one's beliefs about the rest of reality? Why?

 

[Bill Van Fleet]

Bill...no one knows what DIR stands for.....but the DIR's don't care much for me...

reform Judaism is pretty much the same as humananism.....except that we believe in G-d. But we do not have any agreement on who G-d is or what he does...or if we should call him.....he...she....or....it.

That's why if you start a humananism DIR we can pretty much fit all the other...little bitty DIR's in your big DIR. Does that sound cool and groovy ?

I don't know. I can't tell if you are being serious. And I don't understand why you are not telling me what DIR means. I need to know more what you have in mind.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Bill...no one knows what DIR stands for.....but they don't care much for me...

reform Judaism is pretty much the same as humananism.....except that we believe in G-d. But we do not have any agreement on who G-d is or what he does...or if we should call him.....he...she....or....it.

That's why if you start a humananism DIR we can pretty much fit all the other...little bitty DIR's in your big DIR. Does that sound cool and groovy ?

Avi, I know you're just joking, but Bill is new enough to the site that you might be confusing him.

Bill, a DIR is a 'Discuss Individual Religion' forum, with it's basic intent being that only people from within that religious group actively participate in discussions there. Outsiders are allowed to ask questions in a respectful manner (only) and they are generally more strictly moderated than other areas.

Some non-religious DIR areas were added in the last year, mostly focused on broad political positions, such as Feminism, Socialism, Capitalism, etc.

Whilst it's possible to request a new DIR to be created, it is not possible for any member (including staff) to simply go and create a DIR area.
Equally, DIR areas are moderated by the same staff as all other areas of the system...there aren't staff members who are particular to certain sections of the board. Due to our own backgrounds, interests, and understandings, you will sometimes see staff members more active in some areas that others.

For example, it is sometimes difficult for me to moderate in the Hinduism DIR, since I have trouble following some of the discussion there.