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The Reptile-Brain, the Atheist, and the Jew.

F1fan

Veteran Member
Evolution is now a tool under our control. We are now endowed with the spirit that guided evolution to its final grand creation: the Jew, and the Christian.

Sit back and watch. We'll take it from here. :D



John
Why do you suppose the spirit guided evolution to allow some children to be born with genes that develop into cancers? Or your basic birth defects?

Humanity didn't sit back and watch, they created treatments to cure these problems.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Dawkins and Hawkins acknowledge the glory of the human mind.
If your assessment is true it is only on how the mind can produce useful things.

It's just that based on what to me appears to be an utterly deformed and bankrupt ideology, they chalk the glory up to accidental mutations that accidentally led to the glory of the human brain.
As judged by your framework that assumes certain religious ideas are true. Your approach is dubious.
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
While it's correct to note that for a very long time Eastern religions have discussed rejecting the material world, I don't think it's correct to say that it isn't Christianity "specifically" that discusses denying the flesh. In other words, though Eastern religions may also preach the denial of the flesh, it's nevertheless the case that Christianity specifically, if not singularly, discusses denial of the flesh.
This is irrelevent. The concept of denying the flesh is still there, and in many eastern religions, the whole point is to deny the material world. A very strong focus on self control and not giving into your base desires, which I would say is even stronger than Christianity's denial of the flesh, as in Christianity pleasure itself is not an issue, but extreme forms of it is.



Dawkins concedes that the new replicator associated singularly with the cerebral cortex, i.e., the meme, is free from the dictates of the gene. It's no longer a slave to the gene. It has its own priorities, which aren't beholden to the gene.

In a Judeo-Christian context, Dawkins gene/meme dichotomy is akin to the body/soul dichotomy in Christianity. In Judeo-Christianity, the soul is the mediator between the body, and the spirit of God. The soul is torn between the body and the spirit, as Dawkins' unnamed "we" is able to free itself from the body and the meme.

But Dawkins doesn't name the third entity he calls the "we." It's clearly something like "spirit" since it's not beholden to the body (gene) or the mind (meme).

Again, who, or what, is Dawkins' "we" that's separate from body and mind? It seems like a modern pagan form of divinity to me.



John
The soul concept is an ancient one. In fact it is so old that we do not know how it originated. So it comes as no surprise that Dawkins would refer to something similar, as unrelated cultures around the world came up with the concept independent from each other.

I still don't see how this specifically is taken from Christianity unless you are talking about cultural influence, as I see it as Dawkins figuring out what ancient religions have been saying all along.
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
This segues into the spirit of this thread that we haven't even touched on as yet.

If we acknowledge Dawkins and Hawkins undeniable realization that the human mind is now free from the gene, and is doing, in days, weeks, months, and years, what took the gene billions of years to do, we can realize the most important point of this thread: atheism is the theological metaphysics of the reptile brain that's opposed to the spirit of the theist who implies that the development of the human mind was preordained from the very start of life, such that that spirit, God, guided evolution up to the glorious day of awakening allegorized in the story of Adam and Eve.

With the awakening taught in the story of Adam and Eve, the spirit that guided evolution out of the muck and mire of mud and clay found a home in the human cerebral cortex. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is nothing if not allegory for the fact that the spirit of God that formerly guided evolution at a snails pace, finally arrived at a biological-bridgehead, incarnated in man, in the cerebral cortex, so that now, in the last two-thousand years, the spirit of God has jump-started the intended goal such that the days of the gene, of biological death, disease, want, tears . . . are on their way out. And with them, the reptile brain, and its ancient, dare I say asinine, religious metaphysics: atheism. Atheism's future is inextricably intertwined with the dim future of the gene, the serpent in the garden, and the reptilian brain.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:53–58.​




John

Is your view of the bible that it is based on actual historical events or that it is allegory?

If your approach from this thread is the allegory of the bible, then I think I better understand where you are coming from.
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
They might have been saying the natural desires are bad, but they didn't know about evolution 4,000 years ago that I'm aware of within the Judeo-Christian context.

In my opinion.

Possibly subconscious symbolism on their part?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
What Dawkins and Hawkins point out, is that whereas a dolphin might save a human from drowning, it doesn't ever evaluate the situation, using human-style self-consciousness (what Daniel Dennett calls "human freedom") in a situation where the dolphin will knowingly (it knows it) lose it's own life, to save the life of a human.

No animal can do this since no animal possesses, so far as we know, the human ability to think and evaluate things like life, death, self-sacrifice.

"So far as we know," perhaps. Do we have any reason to believe other species couldn't evolve that degree of reasoning? I don't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of a chimpanzee.

I believe the cerebral cortex is a product of evolution. But when it comes online, and the person with it is self-conscious, conscious of good, i.e., being alive, and evil, being dead, and when this same self-conscious knowledge places the life of another, over its own, at the cost of personal sacrifice of good, life, at the expense of evil, death, that is something that has nothing to do with mammals or evolution.

im not sure what you mean by "it has nothing to do with evolution." If the part of our brain that makes such reasoning possible was produced by evolutionary processes, then of course it has to do with evolution.

I could give dozens of quotations from men like Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and more recently Jeff Hawkins, that show that they're fully aware that the self-consciousness related to the cerebral cortex can't be explained, or really made to serve, the Darwinian worldview of life and thought.

The fact that we don't fully understand how consciousness works isn't a demonstration that it isn't a product of evolutionary processes.

But because they refuse to place the reptile-brain, now fitted with knowledge of good and evil (made possible by the cerebral cortex), back under the authority of the God who designed both,

I'd love to see that demonstrated!
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I like the question “Who is this "we" that can rebel against genes (biology) and memes (ideology)?”

But then, you say “We are now endowed with the spirit that guided evolution to its final grand creation: the Jew, and the Christian.”

The first question is good. A gene machine (the creator god in a different terminology) gives rise to a system that over-rules the creator’s intentions. It is absurd, in my opinion.

In the 2nd quote, you say something absurd. 2000 to 5000 years before the Bible, it has been taught that man is endowed with faculties to overcome egoic instincts. With an intellect looking out at mind-sense objects — including mental thoughts etc.; the sense of touch delineated body; and the world which appears to be external to the delineated body — we construct a narrative of “I am this body and there is the world external and separate from me”. This is the instinctive animal narrative that drives the world.

Some 2000. to 5000 years BCE, some thinkers-knowers have urged mankind to introvert the intellect to the thoughtless realm and determine for oneself the nature of self and its boundaries. To these sages, the self is not delineated but appears so due to operation of senses. These sages have also taught that humans have the inbuilt competence to overcome the erroneous notion of the self and can gain mastery over the base instincts.

Anyone who is agnostic in true sense and questions the credo that a mechanism generates our intellect can gain this viewpoint. And this questioning did not begin with Jews and Christians.

YMMV.

I don't deny that Eastern thought also recognized the fallacious nature of the world of the reptile-brain's presentation of reality. The topic came up earlier in the thread.

Nevertheless, whereas Eastern religions withdrew into mystical contemplation that appears to have had little impact on the evolution of mankind, Judeo-Christianity could be said to have taken their distrust of the reptile-brain to the bank by not only questioning the honesty and faithfulness of the reptile-brain, and then retiring into self-ingratiating, subjective, contemplation, but by putting the lie to the reptile-brain's world in such a way that modern technology grew out of the Judeo-Christian dissection of the false world of the reptile-brain.

Immanuel Kant, and Bishop Berkeley, are well-known to have been pioneers in this respect. They taught all who read them to realize that the world of the reptile brain is a filthy lie. But not a lie that should cause one to retire under a Bodhi tree to contemplate infinity in a grain of sand with an austere look, and an emaciated frame, but to take the knowledge that the reptile-brain lies through its fangs to the bank by creating the tools that will free the human spirit from its biological and terrestrial prison.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
They might have been saying the natural desires are bad, but they didn't know about evolution 4,000 years ago that I'm aware of within the Judeo-Christian context.

In my opinion.

Knowledge of evolution came out of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Modern science is an outgrowth of Judeo-Christian ideology.

Yes, the orthodox church may have fought the theory of evolution, as it fought heliocentrism. But it was still men informed by, and grown up in, the ideology and conceptualism of Judeo-Christian thought who brought the truth of heliocentrism, and evolution, to the place where it could be proven by scientific prowess and experimentation.

Copernicus was a true, avowed, believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. As were some of the men who hypothesize ideas related to evolution before, and as contemporaries with, Darwin.

NeoDarwinists went too far by supposing that evolution was more than the mechanism whereby a divine spirit brought things into being. For the atheist and agnostic NeoDarwinist, Darwinism disposed of the need for a divine spirit. That is patently, and provably false. Evolution is a mechanism, a tool, in the hands of a divine spirit. Without the spirit that makes it go, Darwinism is like a power drill with no power.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure (I have provided examples in the past) that that is entirely accurate. We may do more of it, we might communicate about it better, but I think there are examples of altruism and feelings of guilt in other species.

I think as these ideas have been explored, the atheists noted in this thread have come to realize that although animals display altruistic tendencies, those tendencies fall far short of what Dawkins himself refers to as "pure" altruism: a person with knowledge of death, and his own death, accepting it willingly on behalf of another.

The idea is that animals don't know that their altruistic instinct might cause their death since they don't, so far as we know, grasp the concept of death. Ole Yellar might bolt bull-at-a-gate into a bear to save his beloved owner without thought of danger to himself. And yet if he knew he would lose his own life we don't know if he would be so daring? Ole Yellar, so far as we know, doesn't even evaluate life and death like we do, such that his instinctual self-sacrifice, while extremely impressive, isn't really like what Jesus is said to have done on the Cross.

We can even discuss ways of deliberately cultivating and nurturing pure, disinterested altruism – something that has no place in nature, something that has never existed before in the whole history of the world.

Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, p. 200.


John
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
For the atheist and agnostic NeoDarwinist, Darwinism disposed of the need for a divine spirit. That is patently, and provably false. Evolution is a mechanism, a tool, in the hands of a divine spirit. Without the spirit that makes it go, Darwinism is like a power drill with no power
You claim it is provably false, so prove it.

In my opinion.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Why men pretended by their selfish man presence that they were a God.

By first claiming a living reptile was a human inferred beginning.

Answer about equals is equality. No intelligence inferred.

In natural life.

A reptiles answer is totally a reptile. No human blood or cell type in its cold blooded life.

A human scientific status whose answer to his problem I am intelligence as a pretend God claiming I know everything.

Displacing exact placement. Stating why you believe you know everything.

Not many men are so self effacing when producing new articles for a human status.

Hence men who realised men as humans were the human problem taught don't self idolise.

No man is any God.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I think as these ideas have been explored, the atheists noted in this thread have come to realize that although animals display altruistic tendencies, those tendencies fall far short of what Dawkins himself refers to as "pure" altruism: a person with knowledge of death, and his own death, accepting it willingly on behalf of another.

The idea is that animals don't know that their altruistic instinct might cause their death since they don't, so far as we know, grasp the concept of death. Ole Yellar might bolt bull-at-a-gate into a bear to save his beloved owner without thought of danger to himself. And yet if he knew he would lose his own life we don't know if he would be so daring? Ole Yellar, so far as we know, doesn't even evaluate life and death like we do, such that his instinctual self-sacrifice, while extremely impressive, isn't really like what Jesus is said to have done on the Cross.

We can even discuss ways of deliberately cultivating and nurturing pure, disinterested altruism – something that has no place in nature, something that has never existed before in the whole history of the world.

Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, p. 200.


John
You make assumptions I don't think that you can demonstrate (animals don't know they might die, for example). And you ignore something else -- you are trying to portray "humans" as being willing to sacrifice their own lives for others -- but that's not quite true, is it? I mean, let's be honest, there are millions -- possibly billions -- who would, in fact, do nothing of the kind.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The bible was mans scientific destroyer self assessment.

Notice. Lord is a Rich man title is fake in natural life.

Memory human says.

Father is first man's consciousness. Not an egotists and not a Theist.

Meek. Loving. Kind. Caring. Rational. Balanced. Equal.

No rich man.

You were his baby man son. Theist human scientist.

You created by design building. Civilization. Then built sciences building invention.

Using innocent family bullied by threat murder. How you achieved it.

Being meek does not stop you being brave.

You irradiated mind body became instantly possessed by science.

Oh sweet lord. First you were not any lord. Oooh my lord says a man singing.

First you were innocent. Then your egotist over lording self applied sciences man chosen attack.

Taught you never knew evil. Innocent man.

DNA genesis changed.

Your split personality then expressed itself.

Your truth.

I never understood how an overlord thought himself my sweet lord.

Now you know you were in life and presence talking to your owned man memories.

When you say see me. I am by design a human in entirety.

Not DNA as your claim.

I own human DNA as I am the human owning it. My own self a human created my own DNA says my mind state. Consciousness telling its truth.

It is about time you stop self idolising your own human man science self.

Mr egotists who turned destroyer. You did not create creation.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Why do you suppose the spirit guided evolution to allow some children to be born with genes that develop into cancers? Or your basic birth defects?

Humanity didn't sit back and watch, they created treatments to cure these problems.

Birth defects, and cancers, are problems associated with the genes. Life is transitioning (by means of evolution) through the sticky, but relatively short (a few billions years) gene-phase of the process of deification of life. In the gene-phase there are many things that cause pain, tears, and death. But:

God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 20:4.
Because:

This corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1 Corinthians 15:53–55.​



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
While it's correct to note that for a very long time Eastern religions have discussed rejecting the material world, I don't think it's correct to say that it isn't Christianity "specifically" that discusses denying the flesh. In other words, though Eastern religions may also preach the denial of the flesh, it's nevertheless the case that Christianity specifically, if not singularly, discusses denial of the flesh.​

This is irrelevent. The concept of denying the flesh is still there, and in many eastern religions, the whole point is to deny the material world. A very strong focus on self control and not giving into your base desires, which I would say is even stronger than Christianity's denial of the flesh, as in Christianity pleasure itself is not an issue, but extreme forms of it is.

Christianity was tempted by the same error that lives and abides in the Eastern denial of the flesh. That temptation as it presented itself to Christianity was called "Gnosticism." Gnosticism was an early attempt to bushwhack Christianity into the same error as Buddhism: the complete demonization of the flesh. Christianity overcame Gnosticism and for that reason became the seedbed for the modern technological revolution that is transforming the terrestrial and biological world into something far more permanent and spiritual than flesh and blood.

Eastern religion fell prey to Gnosticism and atheism. Eastern religion is neither theistic, nor willing and able to endure the flesh for the purpose of erecting the new body required by the spirit.

The soul concept is an ancient one. In fact it is so old that we do not know how it originated. So it comes as no surprise that Dawkins would refer to something similar, as unrelated cultures around the world came up with the concept independent from each other.

I still don't see how this specifically is taken from Christianity unless you are talking about cultural influence, as I see it as Dawkins figuring out what ancient religions have been saying all along.

Christianity teaches the concept of the trinity: body, soul, and spirit. In this conceptualism, the body is genes and biology, the soul is the self-consciousness/god-consciousness (they come packaged together) related to the cerebral cortex coming online for the first time.

In the concept of the trinity, the body evolves until the soul emanates, or emerges, once the cerebral cortex is developed. Then, when the cerebral cortex comes online, the individual achieves self-consciousness, i.e., the soul, which immediately allows god-consciousness as a product of self-consciousness.

Where Richard Dawkins, Jeff Hawkins, and Daniel Dennett (to name just a few famous atheist thinkers) come into the picture is when they use the self-consciousness derived through the cerebral cortex, to deny god-consciousness, for the sake of elevating the reptile-brain, and its world, to a form of conceptualism devoid of God: NeoDarwinism.

The early reptile-brain, the mammalian brain without the cerebral cortex, doesn't really have a conscious understanding of God, life, death, or the universe. Privileging the reptile or mammal brain over God, these atheist know of life, and death, through the cerebral cortex, but deny God.

They use the very organ given as the greatest gift of the spirit of God, through which he can be known and conceived (can literally enter into the flesh), but chalk its existence up to the processes in the flawed animal understanding that supposes the world is a real "environment" able to cause the so-called natural selection of the mutations in biology that arrive at something like the cerebral cortex. Only those who reject God at the point of god-consciousness could possibly believe something as banal as the idea that environments even exist apart from living organisms, and that they somehow select the right mutations to arrive at the cerebral cortex.

What we have meant to say is that all our empirical experience is nothing but the representation of appearance; that the things which we experience are not in themselves what we experience them as being, nor their relations so constituted in themselves as they appear to us, and that if the subject, or even only the subjective constitution of the senses in general, be removed, the whole constitution and all the relations of objects in space and time, nay space and time themselves, would vanish. As appearances, they cannot exist in themselves, but only in us. What objects may be in themselves, and apart from all this receptivity of our sensibility, remains completely unknown to us. We know nothing but our mode of perceiving them - a mode which is peculiar to us, and not necessarily shared in by every being, though, certainly, by every human being. With this alone have we any concern.

Immanuel Kant.​



John
 
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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
You claim it is provably false, so prove it.

A very brilliant thinker, having read my proof of the fallacy of neo-Darwinism, i.e., Tautological Oxymorons, told me that the only other person he'd ever known to make a similar argument was Rabbi Mendel Schneerson. What Schneerson and I both intuited (separately) is that it's impossible to prove anything to a person who is under the illusion that a tautology can establish the truth content of a statement or idea.

Until a person can distinguish between a tautology, and a viable theory or argument, it's impossible to prove anything like the fallacy of neo-Darwinism to them. They're not yet intellectually equipped to distinguish between a banal tautology, neo-Darwinism, versus a viable, logical, and reasonable, proof for a possible truth.

When the great thinker Karl Popper once stated the truth that Darwinism seems to be purely tautological, he receive nothing short of death threats, and threats of being excommunicated from the community of good thinkers, such that he almost retracted the statement (he watered it down) out of intellectual cowardice in the face of the cult of the reptile-brain.

Tatutological Oxymorons uses 400 pages in a attempt, admittedly a failed attempt in most cases, to help persons distinguish between tautologies presented as viable theories, versus genuine, reasonable, and logical theories.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
You make assumptions I don't think that you can demonstrate (animals don't know they might die, for example). And you ignore something else -- you are trying to portray "humans" as being willing to sacrifice their own lives for others -- but that's not quite true, is it? I mean, let's be honest, there are millions -- possibly billions -- who would, in fact, do nothing of the kind.

It would only take one human to establish the possibility. I'm not saying it's a trait common to mankind. I'm saying it's something possible, and historically provable (at least one person has done it), even if the vast majority aren't capable of it.

The majority of humans who have lived have understood, through the power of the cerebral cortex, that the life they know through their self-consciousness (which is a product of the cerebral cortex) is not subject to the death of the physical body.

In other words, part and parcel of the great gift the cerebral cortex makes possible, through its trillions of synaptic connections, is the fact that the self-conscious soul is not a genetic product of the body through which it emanates, such that the elimination of the body can't be the cessation of the soul that intuits its separate nature from the biological body. For this reason, the vast majority of all humans who have lived since the coming online of the cerebral cortex have believed, even in aboriginal communities, in the continued existence of the soul after the cessation of the biological body.

Because animal don't posses the part of the brain that allows the incarnation of self-conscious soul and spirit to emanate, or exist, in the biology of the brain, they likely don't intuit anything like the possibility that their soul, or self-knowledge, will outlive their body.

We see that those who privilege the reptile-brain over the cerebral cortex, i.e., atheists like Dawkins and Hawkins, unremarkably share in the animal's inability to intuit the binary relationship between the soul and the body through which the soul in the majority of cases understands it will outlive the biology of the body.

What this thread is pointing out is how Dawkins and Hawkins, and their kind, are now realizing, and admitting, in public no less, that the self-conscious mind in fact, just like Jews and Christians have been saying for four-thousand years, can't be fully conflated with, or linked logically and scientifically to, the genes of the body that the memes, or the self-consciousness, have, of late, begun to treat with the kind of respect we give a car, or a pair of shoes, which we intend to replace with a newer model in the very near future.

Part and parcel of the acknowledgement that the soul is not likely a mere phenomenon of the body is the neo-Darwinist's (and I'm speaking specifically of Dawkins and Hawkins) recent acceptance of the possibility that the soul can be moved from the biological body, to some other place, like a computer, if technology was of a high enough level.

In his book, A Thousand Brains, with Dawkins' blessing, Hawkins concedes the possibility that the soul could probably be moved from the biological body. But if it can be moved from the biological body, then it's not merely a phenomenon of the biological body. Which is what theists have been telling atheists for thousands of years even though its only now, when the handwriting is on the wall, that neo-Darwinists are beginning to change their tune as though they've been in league with the theistic notion of the soul all along.




John
 
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danieldemol

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A very brilliant thinker, having read my proof of the fallacy of neo-Darwinism, i.e., Tautological Oxymorons, told me that the only other person he'd ever known to make a similar argument was Rabbi Mendel Schneerson. What Schneerson and I both intuited (separately) is that it's impossible to prove anything to a person who is under the illusion that a tautology can establish the truth content of a statement or idea.

Until a person can distinguish between a tautology, and a viable theory or argument, it's impossible to prove anything like the fallacy of neo-Darwinism to them. They're not yet intellectually equipped to distinguish between a banal tautology, neo-Darwinism, versus a viable, logical, and reasonable, proof for a possible truth.

When the great thinker Karl Popper once stated the truth that Darwinism seems to be purely tautological, he receive nothing short of death threats, and threats of being excommunicated from the community of good thinkers, such that he almost retracted the statement (he watered it down) out of intellectual cowardice in the face of the cult of the reptile-brain.

Tatutological Oxymorons uses 400 pages in a attempt, admittedly a failed attempt in most cases, to help persons distinguish between tautologies presented as viable theories, versus genuine, reasonable, and logical theories.



John
Definition of tautology;
  1. the saying of the same thing twice over in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g. they arrived one after the other in succession ).
    • a phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words.
      plural noun: tautologies
  2. LOGIC
    a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.
Source: Oxford languages.

Are you using the word "tautology" in one of the above two senses or are you using another definition?

So what if some great thinker said something contrary to the evidence?

What does (I assume it is a rather wordy book you are referring to) "Tautological Oxymorons" have to say specifically about evolution as presented by the up to date Theory of evolution (which you seem to lable neo-Darwinism for some odd reason)?

In my opinion.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I am deeply offended by your antisemitic assertion (and many past antisemitic assertions) that Jews or atheists are reptiles. Jews are not subhuman.

If you can't win an debate using facts, you should not insult others.

Because I take the accusation of anti-Semitism very seriously, I was thinking today about where you got the idea that I was engaging in anti-Semitism when it hit me that the title of this thread lends itself to such a reading.

The title is poorly conceived for what I wanted it to say. It should have been, The Reptile-Brain and the Atheist, Versus Judeo-Christianity. As originally written it implies I'm linking the reptile-brain, atheists, and Jews, in some devil's brew that would indeed be anti-Semitic.

So I apologize to you for the ill thought-out name of the thread. And since it's too late for me to change it myself, perhaps a systems operator can change it for me?



John
 
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