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The republican party and racism, will it collaspe the party?

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There's absolutely no market at the moment, so the odds are set by the bookies rather than reacting to market pressure. 3 years out, there's a whole lot of water to pass under the bridge though, which is why the odds are not far off a toss up.

Bookies are as non-base as you can get.



So you are pretty much certain that the 'pubs are done for, yet consider the stock market to be more likely to give you a 90c profit on $1 over 3 years?

For you not to take that bet, you'd have to consider the 'pubs have a realistic chance of winning or be wildly irrational.

Not at all I expect a consistant 5% gain over many years in the Stock Market. With Gambling my losses exceed my wins to the point, that I could buy a house with them if I had them. People that gamble never are happy with just one win and give all there winnings back, I know. With the stock market there is risk and reward like gambling but if you force yourself to be long term you usually end up ahead. Of course I'm never going to win 400 million but in 40 years of gambling I never won more than 600.00 at one time and as I said lost more than around 50,000 over the 40 years.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When was the last time of recent where a major party figure actually represented the philosophy and mission statements by which respective parties are formed for which BOTH parties ran with canadates that were not regarded as first choices.

Could you rephrase that? It's a little unclear. Or maybe I'm just tired.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.

In what way is he done? What crime has he been indicted for?

The republican party has a problem though, Trumps base is their base and it has a high concentration of racism comparativily.

Both the Democrat and Republican parties have racists as members, and neither party as a whole supports racism.

What this means is that the voters are not going to abandon him. Donald Trump will keep the racists and the fiscal conservatives. The swing voters however are going to abandon Trump and the republican party in [d]roves...

I still believe that both parties will split into narrow interest parties. The Democrats could split into the Green, Union, and Teachers party while the Republicans could split into the Business, Fiscal conservative, and Liberty parties.

The world does not have a problem with fiscal conservatism but because it minimizes Government subsidizes to everyone particularly minorities, racists are attracted to it.

I find these racial subsidies and preferences to be racist. They presume that minorities are unable to earn their own living or unable to qualify for college, unless the government gives them a hand out.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
In what way is he done? What crime has he been indicted for?



Both the Democrat and Republican parties have racists as members, and neither party as a whole supports racism.

Donald Trump is done being that he has lost support of Congress and is completely ineffectual for the rest of his term.

While the elite of the democrats are racist the Democrats have an inclusive platform for the common people the bulk of the core. The Republicans Fiscal controls plays into the hands of racism by limiting government money for minority groups.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Donald Trump is done being that he has lost support of Congress and is completely ineffectual for the rest of his term.

How do you know what will happen in the next three years?

While the elite of the democrats are racist the Democrats have an inclusive platform for the common people the bulk of the core. The Republicans Fiscal controls plays into the hands of racism by limiting government money for minority groups.

I think its racist to pay people based on their skin color.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Because you're obviously not looking nor listening.

BTW, does your brand of Christianity allow for racism, anti-Semitism, calling people names, making fun of people's handicaps, adultery and affairs, lewd conduct, bragging about your daughter's breast size, refusing to pay people what you owe them, violating federal laws, running a money scam at a university, etc.?

Christianity doesn't get involved with government. It says to praise the authorities so they will leave you alone.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I think Democrats have a public face and a behind the scenes face far out of the public eye. Democrats are still among the most racist people around for which I don't think it has really changed much from it's past history. They have just done a very good job at hiding that into letting people think they are not.
Do you have any evidence of this?
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I was gonna say the same about the Democrats. A black man like me could not fathom supporting the actual party of racism and given that the Democrats were once a normal party no more than 15 years ago it is such a shocker they have resorted to race baiting and outright bigotry as their base.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I was gonna say the same about the Democrats. A black man like me could not fathom supporting the actual party of racism and given that the Democrats were once a normal party no more than 15 years ago it is such a shocker they have resorted to race baiting and outright bigotry as their base.

Racism is mostly a preception and today most people (right or wrong) believe the Republican party to be the racist party. Trump is enforcing this belief in most people. Trumps core supporters are agreeing with him and even some Republican politicians and public speakers. It not the Democrats doing this, it is Trump doing it to himself. No one will blame the democrats of anything in this race attack.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Racism is mostly a preception and today most people (right or wrong) believe the Republican party to be the racist party. Trump is enforcing this belief in most people. Trumps core supporters are agreeing with him and even some Republican politicians and public speakers. It not the Democrats doing this, it is Trump doing it to himself. No one will blame the democrats of anything in this race attack.

LOL very funny stuff. I just assume you are a racist trying to defend racism but if I made that assumption I am sure it would be naive. Maybe you just do not know what racism is, I guess I will give you that assumption :D.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
LOL very funny stuff. I just assume you are a racist trying to defend racism but if I made that assumption I am sure it would be naive. Maybe you just do not know what racism is, I guess I will give you that assumption :D.

Let me ask you a question, what are the races that exist for humans?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Christianity doesn't get involved with government. It says to praise the authorities so they will leave you alone.
Two things, and the first is that you didn't answer the question, which comes as no surprise to me since your position is totally indefensible in regards to what Christianity actually teaches. And the second is that Christianity actually does get involved in government since government officials are people too and that governmental actions affect each of us one way or another.

As Gandhi said, anyone who thinks that there can be a separation of religion and state simply doesn't understand religion, and I would suggest they don't understand politics either.

You are, in essence, justifying evil because racism and anti-Semitism, along with many other things that Trump has said and done, simply are evil. Therefore,...

"To cooperate with evil is evil"-- Gandhi.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I was gonna say the same about the Democrats. A black man like me could not fathom supporting the actual party of racism and given that the Democrats were once a normal party no more than 15 years ago it is such a shocker they have resorted to race baiting and outright bigotry as their base.
I sure don't know where you get this from. I left the Republican Party back in the 1960's largely because of the issue of racism, and if there's any political party today in the U.S. that fights racism it's the Democrats.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
The bookies were far more accurate than many of the 'expert' political science predictions who gave Hillary as much as 98% chance of victory.

Betting markets saw it as a pretty close race. They were correct.

To make it clear, I'm not saying Trump will win, I'm saying there is a realistic possibility that whoever the Republican candidate is will win.

Keep in mind the bookies only were anywhere near accurate as the election got closer and closer to the actual election date. Initially bookies were placing Donald Trump at less than 10%. So while they may have predictive value as we get closer and closer to the actual election date, I have some serious doubts about their ability to predict the results of 2020 in 2017. :p
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
I sure don't know where you get this from. I left the Republican Party back in the 1960's largely because of the issue of racism, and if there's any political party today in the U.S. that fights racism it's the Democrats.

I've bolded the problem you made in assuming things in that comment. That "if" statement parses to "false".
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Two things, and the first is that you didn't answer the question, which comes as no surprise to me since your position is totally indefensible in regards to what Christianity actually teaches. And the second is that Christianity actually does get involved in government since government officials are people too and that governmental actions affect each of us one way or another.

As Gandhi said, anyone who thinks that there can be a separation of religion and state simply doesn't understand religion, and I would suggest they don't understand politics either.

You are, in essence, justifying evil because racism and anti-Semitism, along with many other things that Trump has said and done, simply are evil. Therefore,...

"To cooperate with evil is evil"-- Gandhi.

Nope, I haven't noticed anything too bad out of Trump. But what about Dean Martin? Did you know Dean Martin was a racist? No, because the media wasn't trying to slander him and dig up every racist comment he ever made. Leadbelly has made racist comments, but I like Leadbelly too, because he wasn't adamant on some sort of racist rampage like the anti-racism crowd seems to be. Anti-racism is more annoying that racism, which is evil.

Ghandi was just some guy who whined about a lot of things and led people to be slaughtered to oppose the goverment he had grown up hating.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
No. The Republican party is fine. The Democrats clearly can be considered a party of racists however, givin it's history.

That's propaganda. Were the southern DemoKKKrats progressives or conservatives?

You'll notice RW media never mentions that on purpose. If they did, the propaganda wouldn't work. I don't recall a time in American history that the south was ever liberal/progressive. Maybe I wasn't taught that about history?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's propaganda. Were the southern DemoKKKrats progressives or conservatives?

You'll notice RW media never mentions that on purpose. If they did, the propaganda wouldn't work. I don't recall a time in American history that the south was ever liberal/progressive. Maybe I wasn't taught that about history?

There's a reason why Democrats call themselves Democrats.

Bit like Nazis suddenly saying they turned over a new leaf, so they decided to continue to call themselves Nazis.
 
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