the right religion

[1robin]

God's actions are the best possible thing by necessity and the fact we have no criteria that supersedes him to condemn them by.

You have to be joking! If humans behaved in the way the deity is reputed to have acted they would have been utterly condemned and rightly so.

That was not a refutation of what I said. IF God exists he is the moral author of every moral truth. If you wish to condemn him your would have to find a standard which he was bound to that he was not obeying. It does not exist.

I used to hate divine command theory, I still do not like it. Unlike many however I adopt what I find to be true not what I like. If God is God you do not possess or have access to anything that would justify your condemning his actions as wrong. You could do as I have with Allah and say if he exists his morality is incompatible with mine and I reject him and will not give my allegiance to him. I cannot say that if he exists he was ever wrong.

Instead of telling me what you disagree with concerning God's actions after you have stripped those actions of all context. Tell me by what SUFFECIENT standard you can show/prove he is wrong. Good luck.

 

[1robin]

Yea, LDS has corrupt priesthood. They call their resigned leaders by their old labels and do not know scripture accurately. Sin is spoken out loud and spreads. Wouldn't you think that the people who work for 'God' would be perfectly healthy, considering the fact that the priesthood has all of the power of the one in the Old Testament times when all kinds of miracles and signs (what not) were performed. Not a good show considering that 'God' nshould have representatives who are comparable to 'Himself'.

Why do you think the LDS church as a whole works for God?

 

[Muffled]

That's a really weak rationale in my opinion....

Christianity can only "take away a person's sin" because it put's it there in the first place!

I don't behold any concept of 'sin', just skillful and unskillful actions, so I don't need Christianity to "take away sins" because I don't believe in the Christian concept of 'sin' and especially not 'original sin'.

Our "original sin" outside of the negativity and guilt-motivations of Christianity, is in fact, the Human Condition.

The Human Condition besets us all. And we do not know why. No-one does. But it sure isn't a reason for guilt and we don't enter this human condition inherently 'sinful'. To think so is really quite perverse and illogical in my opinion.

In the words of the song Tin Man by America: But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
That he didn't, didn't already have

Call it the human condition if you want but the rationale stands that only Jesus can take away sin.

 

[ThtBT]

Nay, hibbity blah, blah, blah.

 

[Anttjuan]

The right "religion" cannot be reached unless God extends the invitation to us. What did Jesus say? "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (John 6:44).

 

[1robin]

Nay, hibbity blah, blah, blah.

Who could stand against such scholarship?

 

[Nakosis]

Instead of telling me what you disagree with concerning God's actions after you have stripped those actions of all context. Tell me by what SUFFECIENT standard you can show/prove he is wrong. Good luck.

If we are concerned with the claims of God's actions in the Christian Bible, my internal moral compass is the sufficient standard by which to judge him. I need no other.

Obviously neither God no anyone else needs to be beholden to my morals standards. They are mine. However neither do I need to be beholden to someone else's morality including Gods. Of course you can choose to accept an obligation to someone's else's standards. Doesn't mean anyone else needs to.

I have as much right to judge any God by my moral standard as any God has a right to judge me by theirs.

 

[kjw47]

The right "religion" cannot be reached unless God extends the invitation to us. What did Jesus say? "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (John 6:44).

The Father can see what is in ones heart. It would be senseless training those in truth who would reject in the end. Gods elite have fallen( Solomon, Judas an apostle) the Israelites fell away from Gods grace many times in the ot.
This is what each individual has got to do to win-Matt 16:24---Few can.
It can be done-- Each must weigh both sides on a scale----

On one side--70 -90 years of temporary pleasures, living for our will and desires.
On the otherside-- trillions x trillions x trillions, etc, etc of never ending years of life of pleasure and real happiness, by living to do Gods will now.

 

[Nakosis]

The Father can see what is in ones heart. It would be senseless training those in truth who would reject in the end. Gods elite have fallen( Solomon, Judas an apostle) the Israelites fell away from Gods grace many times in the ot.
This is what each individual has got to do to win-Matt 16:24---Few can.
It can be done-- Each must weigh both sides on a scale----

On one side--70 -90 years of temporary pleasures, living for our will and desires.
On the otherside-- trillions x trillions x trillions, etc, etc of never ending years of life of pleasure and real happiness, by living to do Gods will now.

Yes but you can't guarantee "Jesus" made any particular statement in the Bible. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. So you can't guarantee anything said in the Bible is God's will.

So you judge by a book you can't guarantee has any authority how others should act on faith that it is God's Will. If it is not God's will I guess everyone to whom you are telling otherwise is screwed.

Neither can you guarantee this endless life of pleasure and happiness. So the argument doesn't carry much weight. First one would have to trust the Bible and I don't. Not my fault that the "Word of God" doesn't not present itself as a trust worthy document.

 

[kjw47]

Yes but you can't guarantee "Jesus" made any particular statement in the Bible. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. So you can't guarantee anything said in the Bible is God's will.

So you judge by a book you can't guarantee has any authority how others should act on faith that it is God's Will. If it is not God's will I guess everyone to whom you are telling otherwise is screwed.

Neither can you guarantee this endless life of pleasure and happiness. So the argument doesn't carry much weight. First one would have to trust the Bible and I don't. Not my fault that the "Word of God" doesn't not present itself as a trust worthy document.

One must learn Jesus' truths and apply those truths.
Daniel-revelation prophecy' are passing before the worlds eyes as we speak. Written well over 1900 years ago.But its as Jesus taught---As in the days of Noah, the world took no note( to the passing prophecys)--Few can see it because satan does this to the world- 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

 

[Anttjuan]

One must learn Jesus' truths and apply those truths.
Daniel-revelation prophecy' are passing before the worlds eyes as we speak. Written well over 1900 years ago.But its as Jesus taught---As in the days of Noah, the world took no note( to the passing prophecys)--Few can see it because satan does this to the world- 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

What prophecies are coming to pass right now as we speak?

 

[Ingledsva]

One must learn Jesus' truths and apply those truths.
Daniel-revelation prophecy' are passing before the worlds eyes as we speak. Written well over 1900 years ago.But its as Jesus taught---As in the days of Noah, the world took no note( to the passing prophecys)--Few can see it because satan does this to the world- 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

Do you realize how many people have said the same thing over the years - and every one of them has been wrong? As will you be.



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[Sha'irullah]

The right religion would best be replaced by the right philosophy as no religion is useful until the proper philosophical map sheet is placed over it.

Deism is theophilosophy that helps me interpret and find use of any religion no matter it's message or principles. Literalism is just one of the theological outlooks one can have that is destructive but in the eyes of a mythologist the same religion can be harmless.

The better question asked is what is the philosophy that motivates your religious affiliation.

 

[psychoslice]

The right religion is my own religion, not a second-hand religion, yukky poo.

 

[Sha'irullah]

The right religion is my own religion, not a second-hand religion, yukky poo.

Alhamdu'illah brother!

 

[psychoslice]

Alhamdu'illah brother!

Hey, yes Praise to God, or something lol.

 

[Nakosis]

One must learn Jesus' truths and apply those truths.
Daniel-revelation prophecy' are passing before the worlds eyes as we speak. Written well over 1900 years ago.But its as Jesus taught---As in the days of Noah, the world took no note( to the passing prophecys)--Few can see it because satan does this to the world- 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

You're taking something from Daniel and something from Paul. Taking something Jesus supposed to have said out of context to what is written in the Bible to prove what?

Someone else fabricated this line of thinking and you bought into it right?

Even if I were to accept the authority of the Bible it would give your claim no foundation. A little critical thinking on your part should clue you into realizing you're being fed a line of crap. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but this is pretty obvious to me.

If God really wants heaven full of yokels who can't think for themselves I probably wouldn't fit in anyway. Your Heaven would be eternal frustration for me.

 

[kjw47]

Do you realize how many people have said the same thing over the years - and every one of them has been wrong? As will you be.



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I wont be my teachers are correct.--this world is in for a huge shock---as in the days of Noah.

 

[kjw47]

You're taking something from Daniel and something from Paul. Taking something Jesus supposed to have said out of context to what is written in the Bible to prove what?

Someone else fabricated this line of thinking and you bought into it right?

Even if I were to accept the authority of the Bible it would give your claim no foundation. A little critical thinking on your part should clue you into realizing you're being fed a line of crap. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but this is pretty obvious to me.

If God really wants heaven full of yokels who can't think for themselves I probably wouldn't fit in anyway. Your Heaven would be eternal frustration for me.

You seem confused-- every real Christian knows for sure--144,000( little flock) are bought from the earth--no more--no less. rev 14:3) You have been fed the crap by the great apostasy it seems--like most are.
Jesus taught this truth---- Blessed are the meek, ( great crowd)for they will inherit the earth)---not heaven--earth---Jesus teachers teach this truth.

 

[kjw47]

What prophecies are coming to pass right now as we speak?

Rev 13 has been going on for quite some time.