The Right to Proselytize?

[Katzpur]

Katzpur, perhaps you should define what a treat is on a shirt just so you are not treated with contempt.

What?

We do not have Halloween here but they are trying to instigate the behaviouralisms, through school and television. I am fine with that but if I do not give treats then I expect to be tricked. As this will not happen, I have no respect for the practice, at this stage.

It takes all kinds, I guess.

 

[Nikodemus]

I often think that, you may need to sit back and take a good hard look at you view as , you are complaining about a piece of paper, when you could have actually have been preached at!

That's like saying, "What are you complaining about? They only hit you once! They could have put you in the hospital!"

Just because it wasn't worse doesn't make it good.

but they just gave you a pamphlet with a GIFT, that is exactly what they did!gave you a gift . take it as that!!

A gift with no thought given to the receiver is not a gift, in my opionion.

 

[roli]

I suppose in the grand scheme of things, it's not that big a deal, but it made me angry. Here we are, just out for a night of fun and someone is trying to convert people.

I'm not sure who the person was or what their beliefs are ,but as a Christian looking in light of eternity, a simple track has touched many a lives,it's all about timing within the heart of the one who recieved it.God works in mysterious ways. It may be an insult to you and your personal views,but it's target may have been for your child or even you, I guess by throwing it out you may never know the impact or not ,of this tract and it's purpose and intended destination.
God uses many different means to speak to us, if we shut it out or hinder it;s intended target, we will al be responsible

So what do you think? Do you think actions like that are acceptable? If you do, can you please explain why you think that?

Let's just assume it was something that was for your own best interest or that of your family, and you had that knowledge after the fact, how would that make you feel for turning away an extension of God's mercy, if you even believe in God.
Hypothetically speaking of course!

Or are you like me, and think that there is a time and a place and Halloween night isn't it?

What better time to shed light, then when the god of this world "satan " according to the bible is glorified in the promotion and expression of darkeness and death on Halloween

 

[Watchmen]

I don't think it's a big deal. If a person can't handle a religious track handed out when they're the ones knocking on the door then that person needs to get the stomach to be able to laugh it off.

 

[Nikodemus]

I'm not sure who the person was or what their beliefs are ,but as a Christian looking in light of eternity, a simple track has touched many a lives,it's all about timing within the heart of the one who recieved it.God works in mysterious ways. It may be an insult to you and your personal views,but it's target may have been for your child or even you, I guess by throwing it out you may never know the impact or not ,of this tract and it's purpose and intended destination.
God uses many different means to speak to us, if we shut it out or hinder it;s intended target, we will al be responsible

Okay, I can see the point there. I did read it before I threw it away. It's impact on me was a negative one because of how and when it was delivered. It made me go further from any belief in the Christian church because it seemed like a sneaky thing to do to me.

Let's just assume it was something that was for your own best interest or that of your family, and you had that knowledge after the fact, how would that make you feel for turning away an extension of God's mercy, if you even believe in God.
Hypothetically speaking of course!

I'm not sure I understand your question. If it was something for my best interest, I would think there would be other times and places to get it delivered to me. If the person cares enough to put a pamphlet in my little girl's candy bag, I assume she cares enough to get the message to me in other ways, at other times.

Besides, this is hardly the first time I've been given, as you put it, an extension of God's mercy.

What better time to shed light, then when the god of this world "satan " according to the bible is glorified in the promotion and expression of darkeness and death on Halloween

Yeah, that's not really what Halloween is about. Click this link for more info:

Ancient Origins - Real Story of Halloween - Halloween - History.com

 

[Nikodemus]

I don't think it's a big deal. If a person can't handle a religious track handed out when they're the ones knocking on the door then that person needs to get the stomach to be able to laugh it off.

So you'd be okay with a political tract? Or a homosexual rights tract? Or a Satanist tract? Or....?

Cause if you would be, then my hat is off to you.

 

[Watchmen]

So you'd be okay with a political tract? Or a homosexual rights tract? Or a Satanist tract? Or....?

Cause if you would be, then my hat is off to you.

Why not? I'm soliciting candy at someone's door - who know what I'm going to get. There's all kinds of people in the world and if someone make the poor choice of giving me a tract, I chalk it up to a poor choice on their part, throw the tract away and don't give it a second thought.

 

[Nikodemus]

Why not? I'm soliciting candy at someone's door - who know what I'm going to get. There's all kinds of people in the world and if someone make the poor choice of giving me a tract, I chalk it up to a poor choice on their part, throw the tract away and don't give it a second thought.

You know, I'd like to think that if it had just been me, I'd be right with you. I'm all grown up and make my choices as I see fit. But to give these things to children who are just out for some fun...I don't know, that just angers me in some fundamental way.

 

[Storm]

You know, I've finally put my finger on why this is especially distasteful.

Thre tract wasn't meant for Nikodemus, but his daughter. Proselytizing is tacky to begin with, but targeting kids is downright shameful. It's EXTREMELY disrespectful to the parents of said kids.

 

[Watchmen]

That's why it's a poor choice - but nothing to get too worked up about. After all, the 5-year old couldn't read it anyway.

 

[Nikodemus]

That's why it's a poor choice - but nothing to get too worked up about. After all, the 5-year old couldn't read it anyway.

Actually she can read fairly well for her age. Besides, it's not just her, it's the hundreds of other kids too. Eh, I dunno. Just seems wrong.

 

[Watchmen]

Actually she can read fairly well for her age. Besides, it's not just her, it's the hundreds of other kids too. Eh, I dunno. Just seems wrong.

Of course it's in bad taste, but what does getting worked up accomplish? Nothing.

 

[Nikodemus]

Of course it's in bad taste, but what does getting worked up accomplish? Nothing.

True enough, which is why I came here to talk about it.

 

[gnostic]

I know what its like, i get pamphlets in the mail all the time telling me how evil i am and that Jesus died to save my soul.

We received a colorful booklet from Scientology, once about 10 years ago, in the mailbox. I brought it in and left it on the coffee table. More than likely, one of us threw it in the bin. I doubt anyone read it.

 

[rojse]

are'nt you on a religen, forum ?and you dont think you look strange, talking about how you think its a bit much , with the pamphlet

But there is a great difference between acceptance of religion or atheism, and foisting your views onto other people.

 

[rojse]

I'm really surprised to hear that it was the Roman Catholic Church doing this. It just doesn't sound like them at all. It sounds a whole lot more like some of the more fundamentalist Protestant denominations. I've never even heard a Catholic (or a Mormon) talk about what you have to do to "be saved."

It's not like you to make broad generalisations like that, Katzpur.

 

[rojse]

That's why it's a poor choice - but nothing to get too worked up about. After all, the 5-year old couldn't read it anyway.

What about if Nikodemus's kid had been somewhat precocious, and could read? Would this still be acceptable?

 

[rock hop]

Rojse, I believe if the child could read it, then that makes it more acceptable. Of course reading must mean understand. Now if I am not correct, then simply say so. If one does not recieve a treat, then isn't a trick in order and shouldn't the child decide that for themselves. Or has Halloween moved away from retributionist activities and simply become an Easter parade.

 

[cardero]

Let's just assume it was something that was for your own best interest or that of your family, and you had that knowledge after the fact, how would that make you feel for turning away an extension of God's mercy, if you even believe in God.
Hypothetically speaking of course!

Or maybe Jesus was holding these homeowners at gunpoint and told them to throw in the Halloween stickers with the pamphlets so the neighbors wouldn't become suspicious.

 

[darkendless]

I'm not sure who the person was or what their beliefs are ,but as a Christian looking in light of eternity, a simple track has touched many a lives,it's all about timing within the heart of the one who recieved it.God works in mysterious ways. It may be an insult to you and your personal views,but it's target may have been for your child or even you, I guess by throwing it out you may never know the impact or not ,of this tract and it's purpose and intended destination.
God uses many different means to speak to us, if we shut it out or hinder it;s intended target, we will al be responsible


Let's just assume it was something that was for your own best interest or that of your family, and you had that knowledge after the fact, how would that make you feel for turning away an extension of God's mercy, if you even believe in God.
Hypothetically speaking of course!



What better time to shed light, then when the god of this world "satan " according to the bible is glorified in the promotion and expression of darkeness and death on Halloween

The assumption that its "good for the family" is quite rude. What if i think cannabilism is good for your child?

Halloween is not the time to be preaching. In fact, preaching to the public is quite rude. If we have a right to have a religion we should have a right not to be harassed by others.