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The Rise of Atheism and Irreligiosity in the Arab World

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
A few conversations I have had within the last couple of weeks have been fascinating, if not thought-provoking. They have all revolved non-belief where I live, especially in the context of needing to keep up a facade of belief by fasting during Ramadan. By themselves, I would merely consider them to be personal anecdotes. However, as I will clarify in this post, there are multiple polls and reports suggesting that there is indeed a trend of increasing disbelief among Arabs.

- The first one was with a friend (who was also my brother's classmate). He immigrated years ago, and his online posts expressed support for secularism, LGBT rights, and other unconventional positions where we're from. I was under the impression he was a liberal Muslim until I talked to him privately, where I came out to him as an atheist. His response?

"Yeah, I've also been irreligious for around 10 years. I'm a deist now. People like us are becoming more common. We're not alone, but stay low-key and safe, bro."

We then talked about immigration. I'm actually in the process of checking out a link he sent me to look at a scholarship abroad--it's a good way to immigrate for those in our field of study.

- The second one was with a friend I met in the army. We were casually talking when his cousins came up in conversations: he said they're both atheists, although one of them is especially the outspoken type. He told me his uncle (their father) respected their freedom to choose and at one point didn't take a photo of one of them at the mosque because that guy is apparently so anti-religious that he refuses to be associated with religion in any way.

What interested me most wasn't just the fact that they both became irreligious but also that their parents respected their freedom. Where I live, this entire scenario would have almost been a fantasy for most families 15 or 20 years ago.

- Then comes the third conversation, which happened between me and the same army friend in the above story. He saw something I posted on Instagram and was like, "Are you irreligious too?" I know he's trustworthy and was asking out of curiosity rather than malice, so I answered in the affirmative. He has also never been the type to ask me about praying, fasting, etc., including when we were in the army together. He'd simply go about his business and leave me to go about mine.

So he asked me how I became irreligious, when I did, etc., and brought up that he knew multiple people who had also deconverted aside from his two cousins.

One common factor in all of the above situations is that disbelief remains largely taboo and unsafe to publicly declare, unlike in most secularized countries. Despite this, it has been growing for years. There has been increasingly prominent discourse about the rising numbers of atheists in the Arab world, including in the most conservative of its countries such as Saudi Arabia. Most recently, there was an online "demonstration" where thousands of atheists across the Arab world signed an online petition to certify their lack of belief and indicate that atheists were greater in number than what some hard-line religious outlets suggested.

Whether this trend will continue in the coming years is quite a complicated question, but if the current indicators are anything to go by, I suspect it will. Far more uncertain is what kind of social and political effects the rise of disbelief in the Arab world will bring to the table in the coming years and decades, especially in a region where such conspicuous disbelief in religion was, up until several years ago, largely an anomaly. Now it is becoming an inescapable part of public discourse even among the most strictly conservative countries thereof.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Also curious; along with the rise in atheism, do you think religious exploration into other faith systems will increase as well as the years go by?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Also curious; along with the rise in atheism, do you think religious exploration into other faith systems will increase as well as the years go by?

I can't know for sure, but if I had to guess, I'd say yes. I especially see increasing interest in courses teaching meditation, yoga, and other Dharmic practices. I don't know how reflective my observations are of more general social trends, though.

More anecdotally, I was talking to an old friend the other day who used to be a Coptic Christian but is now a deist. He mentioned that he had started reading about Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism while getting into practicing meditation. I also used to be in a fairly large meditation group a few years ago, and that ran the gamut from Sufi and Sunni Muslims all the way to atheists and deists.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is an interesting area to me. Do you have a sense about the number who might be agnostic or "spiritual but not religious"?
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't know what will happen, but I predict its all about the children. If the children are trained to be religious, then many or most will always be religious. I do not think this little increase in atheism will have longevity.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I don't know what will happen, but I predict its all about the children. If the children are trained to be religious, then many or most will always be religious. I do not think this little increase in atheism will have longevity.

But, with increasing access to the Internet, I'd suspect some sort of increase in people either becoming irreligious or seeking out different ideas regardless of upbringing.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I don't know what will happen, but I predict its all about the children. If the children are trained to be religious, then many or most will always be religious. I do not think this little increase in atheism will have longevity.
On the other hand, civilization's collective body of knowledge and access to that knowledge continues to expand rapidly.
 

GURSIKH

chardi kla
I too have noticed this trend. Here in Europe, I have three Iranian colleagues two females and one male, all are atheist. They enjoy wine in Ramdan. They consider Islam as an invasion and forced on them by Arabs.
Even in India and Pakistan there is exponential growth of Ex-muslims Youtube channels. Few of them were Imam s at the masjid for decades and knows each and every Iyat of Quran.
 
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InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
A few conversations I have had within the last couple of weeks have been fascinating, if not thought-provoking. They have all revolved non-belief where I live, especially in the context of needing to keep up a facade of belief by fasting during Ramadan. By themselves, I would merely consider them to be personal anecdotes. However, as I will clarify in this post, there are multiple polls and reports suggesting that there is indeed a trend of increasing disbelief among Arabs.

- The first one was with a friend (who was also my brother's classmate). He immigrated years ago, and his online posts expressed support for secularism, LGBT rights, and other unconventional positions where we're from. I was under the impression he was a liberal Muslim until I talked to him privately, where I came out to him as an atheist. His response?

"Yeah, I've also been irreligious for around 10 years. I'm a deist now. People like us are becoming more common. We're not alone, but stay low-key and safe, bro."

We then talked about immigration. I'm actually in the process of checking out a link he sent me to look at a scholarship abroad--it's a good way to immigrate for those in our field of study.

- The second one was with a friend I met in the army. We were casually talking when his cousins came up in conversations: he said they're both atheists, although one of them is especially the outspoken type. He told me his uncle (their father) respected their freedom to choose and at one point didn't take a photo of one of them at the mosque because that guy is apparently so anti-religious that he refuses to be associated with religion in any way.

What interested me most wasn't just the fact that they both became irreligious but also that their parents respected their freedom. Where I live, this entire scenario would have almost been a fantasy for most families 15 or 20 years ago.

- Then comes the third conversation, which happened between me and the same army friend in the above story. He saw something I posted on Instagram and was like, "Are you irreligious too?" I know he's trustworthy and was asking out of curiosity rather than malice, so I answered in the affirmative. He has also never been the type to ask me about praying, fasting, etc., including when we were in the army together. He'd simply go about his business and leave me to go about mine.

So he asked me how I became irreligious, when I did, etc., and brought up that he knew multiple people who had also deconverted aside from his two cousins.

One common factor in all of the above situations is that disbelief remains largely taboo and unsafe to publicly declare, unlike in most secularized countries. Despite this, it has been growing for years. There has been increasingly prominent discourse about the rising numbers of atheists in the Arab world, including in the most conservative of its countries such as Saudi Arabia. Most recently, there was an online "demonstration" where thousands of atheists across the Arab world signed an online petition to certify their lack of belief and indicate that atheists were greater in number than what some hard-line religious outlets suggested.

Whether this trend will continue in the coming years is quite a complicated question, but if the current indicators are anything to go by, I suspect it will. Far more uncertain is what kind of social and political effects the rise of disbelief in the Arab world will bring to the table in the coming years and decades, especially in a region where such conspicuous disbelief in religion was, up until several years ago, largely an anomaly. Now it is becoming an inescapable part of public discourse even among the most strictly conservative countries thereof.
I heard Saudi Arabia was going to remove the inscription "there is no God but Allah" from their flag.
It seems Arab countries are becoming less Islamic. Most of them now, also have a good relationship with Israel.
 
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InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
I too have noticed this trend. Here in Europe, I have three Iranian colleagues two females and one male, all are atheist. They enjoy wine in Ramdan. They consider Islam as an invasion and forced on them by Arabs.
Even in India and Pakistan there is exponential growth of Ex-muslims Youtube channels. Few of them were Imam s at the masjid for decades and knows each and every Iyat of Quran.
In Iran many people, not only are not Muslim anymore, but they are actually anti-islam.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
One common factor in all of the above situations is that disbelief remains largely taboo and unsafe to publicly declare, unlike in most secularized countries.

The OP presents some good news, IMO.

That said, I think Muslims should take a long, hard look at the sentence I've emphasized from the OP. It is an almost world wide conclusion that taking such a stance in a Muslim majority country is unsafe. The folks who'd like us all to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, really need to take a look at the well deserved, violent reputation of their Islamic ideology.
 
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