The Sacrifice of Jesus from a Non-Religious Perspective.

[outhouse]

By the way even Josephas mentions the poll tax is paid to the temple yearly

 

[fallingblood]

Sure when you quit ignoring how important taxes were to jesus life.

I dont need scholars as there were two wars fought over roman taxation to jews shortly before and after jesus death.

You have also ignored the mandatory poll tax that jesus was questioned about with peter he never paid..

I'm not ignoring taxes in general. I'm stating that specifically, the Temple tax was voluntary. Also, the tax with Peter you are talking about is the Temple tax. Read the story. More so, we are told by his disciples that Jesus paid it.

 

[fallingblood]

You cannot prove a sacrifice because the historicity isnt there.

Not enough is known about jesus message to claim a sacrifice and you keep ignoring the fact scholars are split on how he preached the coming kingdom of god.

It os on you to prove historicity of events not me. You make the claims based on a minority position of some scholars

I'm done with you. You are unwilling to address what I say and instead run around in circles. I'm just going to have to ignore you as it simply is going nowhere. We can see that by your refusal to address the issue at hand.

 

[outhouse]

I'm not ignoring taxes in general. I'm stating that specifically, the Temple tax was voluntary. Also, the tax with Peter you are talking about is the Temple tax. Read the story. More so, we are told by his disciples that Jesus paid it.

And I have proved you wrong

 

[outhouse]

I'm done with you. .

Of course you are

its what happens when one cannot refute whats put before you from credible people, after making multiple mistakes and getting called on it. :foot:

 

[outhouse]

read page 31 regarding the mandatory poll tax paid at the temple

even Josephas states this.

Taxation: critical perspectives on the world economy - Simon R. James - Google Books

 

[outhouse]

More so, we are told by his disciples that Jesus paid it.

sending peter fishing is paying tax?

 

[idea]

It was by preaching a message, that benefited people, and being killed for that message.

This is true, but I think it is also looking at only part of the picture. It wasn't about just a message, it was about fulfilling the requirements of justice. The message - have hope, repent, become a better person, leave your past and move forward - is pointless if impossible. It is impossible to be forgiven/move forward/have hope if there is no justifiable reason to do so... say you kill someone in a drunk driving accident - you can't satisfy justice on your own, nothing you can do on your own will fix it, so you can't forgive yourself / move forward / have hope etc. etc. - the message is moot without a way to actually satisfy justice. the message of hope/faith is also moot from a non-religious perspective (or at least severely limited) in the atheistic understanding of death.