The Scientific Math of the Milky Way

[Native]

We do detect them. And have been for decades.

Yes, about 1 neutrino every decade And the few which are detected can easily come from all other sources but the Sun, for instants from the Cosmic Neutrino Background.

 

[Native]

Citation

Astronomers discover a star that would not die – Astronomy Now

A claim

Astronomers discover a star that would not die – Astronomy Now

 

[Native]

You do not know what a Nuclear reactor does or how it functions so your point is nonsense.

Oh, so you have now studied my CV in details, have you?

 

[Native]

When the sun uses up all its hydrogen, which it is estimated to do in 5 and half billion years or so, helium and other heavier elements up to Iron are created, through Nucleosynthesis.

When the outwards pressure becomes greater than the gravitational force, it is then that our sun will expand outward as a Red Giant, its radius expanding to some 250 times its present radius, ingulfing the inner planets..

Eventually, when the lighter elements have been fused, and there is not enough energy to fuse the heavier elements that have been created by the fusion of helium; it is then that the gravitational force takes control and the Red Giant contracts extremely fast, an implosion, which causes a tremendous 'crunch' while at the same time, blasting off ionized gases and metals, which expand and are known as a planetary nebula. Once things calm down, a small white dwarf star will remain. This tiny remnant will have a mass of around half that of our present Sun, but will be the size of the Earth.

The end result of anything over one and below one and a third solar masses, and our sun being 1 solar mass, is a white Dwarf. The collapse of a bigger star over one and a third solar masses; results in the creation of a Neutron star, while a star over three solar Masses will create a Black Hole.

The diameter of our sun, is about 1.392 million km. You could line up 109 Earths across the face of the sun. The sun's circumference is about 4,366,813 km.

Can you imagine how dense the White Dwarf, which will be the remnant of our star, and which will be reduced to size of our earth and yet contain at least half of the mass of the present sun? One tea-spoon of material from the White Dwarf, would weigh, "WHAT?"

I wrote this post yesterday, and apparently didn't post it.

Either way, I don´t believe in this explanation. The Sun is IMO getting "it´s gaseous food" from outside the Sun and from the electromagnetism in galactic surroundings.

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, about 1 neutrino every decade And the few which are detected can easily come from all other sources but the Sun, for instants from the Cosmic Neutrino Background.

Um, no. The neutrinos from the sun as detected at SNO+ average about 70 per day.

Your link to the Cosmic Background Neutrinos is a side issue. Those neutrinos are low energy and have not yet been detected. But the ones from the sun have been detected steadily for the last few decades. This was even an issue because only 1/3 of the expected number were detected for years. That was resolved when we discovered that neutrinos have mass and oscillate.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.03355.pdf

 

[Native]

I´ve set Subduction Zone on the ignore butten for going after the man instead of the cases.

 

[The Anointed]

Either way, I don´t believe in this explanation. The Sun is IMO getting "it´s gaseous food" from outside the Sun and from the electromagnetism in galactic surroundings.

And you are entitled to believe any self-made erroneous hypothesis that you choose to.

 

[Polymath257]

Either way, I don´t believe in this explanation. The Sun is IMO getting "it´s gaseous food" from outside the Sun and from the electromagnetism in galactic surroundings.

Wow, we should see the streaming for this and the strong E&M fields associated with this!

Our probes should be easily able to detect these!

Wait. Where are they?

 

[Native]

Um, no. The neutrinos from the sun as detected at SNO average about 17-18 per day.

I really don´t care. The questions above was whether the Sun works via fusion as assumed by conventioanal thinking cosmologists.

And the answer is here (whether you like it or not ) The EM Universe where the central formation in our galaxy stands for all formation of the elements and stars.

 

[Native]

And you are entitled to believe any self-made erroneous hypothesis that you choose to.

Note my profile signature

 

[The Anointed]

Either way, I don´t believe in this explanation. The Sun is IMO getting "it´s gaseous food" from outside the Sun and from the electromagnetism in galactic surroundings.

But I will go along with your electric universe.

And as I have just responded to the thread, "Allah is energy," let me repeat it here.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch. If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

God, the eternal energy, is the collective consciousness of all that he has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

That which we perceive as matter can be and is created. All matter can be and is reconverted to the eternal energy from which it was created. Flesh and blood does not inherit eternity, only the invisible mind that develops from the information taken in through the senses of the created body. That is why Paul said that the physical body had to come first .

When the body, in which ‘YOU’ the invisible mind or spirit would develop, was born and took its first breath, an individual entity, completely separate from the information taken in by the mother body, began to form, through the information that was taken in through the senses of that body,

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

God has made himself manifest in the creation itself.

Romans 1: 18-23' The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being, etc.

 

[Native]

Wow, we should see the streaming for this and the strong E&M fields associated with this!
Our probes should be easily able to detect these!
Wait. Where are they?

Make your own research

 

[Native]

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter.

I agree in this

In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

This is inconsistent and contrary with your former sentense which speaks for an eternal Universe without any beginning or end.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

Agreed

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void.

Did you observe this for yourself?

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity.

"Dust to Dust and Light to Light", right

 

[Polymath257]

I really don´t care. The questions above was whether the Sun works via fusion as assumed by conventioanal thinking cosmologists.

And the observed neutrino flux supports fusion being the mechanism for the sun's energy. And it does so by showing the specific nuclear reactions occurring at the core of the sun.

And the answer is here (whether you like it or not ) The EM Universe where the central formation in our galaxy stands for all formation of the elements and stars.

Um, not so much. You have presented no actual data supporting anything about the EU Universe. In particular, your rejection of gravity is, at best, contrary to the data and observations we have. The idea that E&M fields dominate is also against the data we have from various probes that measure exactly these fields. You claim of influences from the galactic center have absolutely no observational support.

In other words, the EU ideas are dead. That have no basis in reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I´ve set Subduction Zone on the ignore butten for going after the man instead of the cases.

Actually I went after the argument. You never would address the lack of science in your work.

 

[gnostic]

Seriously, why not try to learn the scientific method?

I did just that remember?

Oh yes I understand: Everytime the standard cosmologists are contradicted and proven wrong, they just invent "dark this or that" in order to fit cosmos to their theories and calculations which have been proven wrong in the first place.

That’s not Scientific Method.

Any statement you make, has to be “falsifiable” and rigorously tested, and your comment prove neither.

All you are doing is that you, Native is disagreeing that dark matters are real, that’s not evidence.

There is more to Scientific Method than just disagreement with a theory, you have to provide evidences against the cosmology.

Just as scientists require evidences that validate dark matters, scientists need evidences to refute dark matters.

You have provided no evidences whatsoever against dark matters; all you have done is disagree with it...and rant about it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Make your own research

That is not the way it works in the world of science. People that make claims have a burden of proof. One can't say "you can't prove me wrong therefore my idea is just as valid as yours". An idea is more valid than another if it has predictive power. If it is falsifiable. Unfalsifiable ideas that have no predictive power are worth less than nothing in the world of the sciences. With a proper testable hypothesis even if one is wrong one learns by testing it. How is one to learn anything with your beliefs? The effects we should observe if they are correct are not to be seen and you will not give a way to properly test them.

 

[Native]

And the observed neutrino flux supports fusion being the mechanism for the sun's energy.

Oh. you mean the flux of the 70 neutrinoes pr. decade mentioned above supports fusion and the Suns´energy?

Are you sure the neutrinos on the way to the Sun not just go right thrugh the Sun without any time to make any fusions at all.

And how can your nuclear mashine in the Sun make the magnetic polarity shift every 11 years?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh. you mean the flux of the 70 neutrinoes pr. decade mentioned above supports fusion and the Suns´energy?

Are you sure the neutrinos on the way to the Sun not just go right thrugh the Sun without any time to make any fusions at all.

And how can your nuclear mashine in the Sun make the magnetic polarity shift every 11 years?

Unanswered questions do not refute an idea. Unless the idea can answer no questions at all. The EU does not explain the reversals of poles either. Though physicists that study the Sun may have an answer.

By the way, the flux of neutrinos is far far far higher than "70 neutrinoes pr. decade".

 

[Polymath257]

Oh. you mean the flux of the 70 neutrinoes pr. decade mentioned above supports fusion and the Suns´energy?

Per *day*, not per decade. And these are the ones we actually detect. We know that the vast majority are not detected because they don't interact strongly with ordinary matter.

Are you sure the neutrinos on the way to the Sun not just go right thrugh the Sun without any time to make any fusions at all.

Neutrinos are produced in the fusion reactions in the core. They come out of the sun.

And how can your nuclear mashine in the Sun make the magnetic polarity shift every 11 years?