the Shroud of Turin is a Fake

[Thief]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

 

[Terry Sampson]

But it's a nice "fake", IMO.

The Shroud of Turin Website - Home Page

 

[Brickjectivity]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

I remember the National Geographic article from when I was just around 10 years old. The scientists were just crawling all over the thing, planning how to carefully carbon date it while doing no damage. Chemists were studying its fibers and colors.

The media went nuts about it, too. They did everything short of making a Scooby Doo episode.

 

[Father Heathen]

Was proven fake decades ago.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

They did everything short of making a Scooby Doo episode.

Bahahaha! Made me laugh for some reason. Do you mind if I start working this into conversations?

 

[roger1440]

The Shroud itself isn’t fake. It’s the certainty that the image on it is Jesus that is fake. But to this day no one knows how the heck that image got on that thing. No one has been able to mimic it.

 

[Deeje]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

Not to mention the fact that the Jews did not put their bodies into shrouds.

According to the apostle John.....“Nicodemus also . . . came bringing a roll of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds of it. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it up with bandages with the spices, just the way the Jews have the custom of preparing for burial.”—John 19:39-42."

Strongs says it was "othonion" that Jesus' body was wrapped in, which is...."a piece of linen, small linen cloth: plural strips of linen cloth for swathing the dead, Luke 24:12"

"The Jews customarily washed the dead and then used oils and spices to anoint the body. (Matthew 26:12; Acts 9:37) On the morning following the Sabbath, women friends of Jesus intended to complete the preparation of his body, which had already been laid in a tomb. However, when they arrived with their ‘spices to grease him,’ the body of Jesus was not in the tomb!—Mark 16:1-6; Luke 24:1-3.

What did Peter find when he came shortly afterward and entered the tomb? The eyewitness John reported: “He viewed the bandages lying, also the cloth that had been upon his head not lying with the bandages but separately rolled up in one place.” (John 20:6, 7)"

So, John specifies the bandages and the headcloth that was in a separate place, but no shroud.

The Shroud of Turin—Burial Cloth of Jesus? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Shroud itself isn’t fake. It’s the certainty that the image on it is Jesus that is fake. But to this day no one knows how the heck that image got on that thing. No one has been able to mimic it.

Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin

Sorry, that's been done too.

 

[ratiocinator]

the Shroud of Turin is a Fake

In other news, it emerges that the Pope is Catholic....

 

[exchemist]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

Well done, you're only a few decades late.

 

[Salvador]

The Shroud itself isn’t fake. It’s the certainty that the image on it is Jesus that is fake. But to this day no one knows how the heck that image got on that thing. No one has been able to mimic it.

Luigi Garlaschelli, a professor of chemistry at the University of Pavia, fabricated a shroud closely resembling the Shroud of Turin Professor Garlaschelli and his team of scientists used materials and tools that were available in medieval times, these types of material and tools could have been used to fabricate the Shroud of Turin. A shroud resembling the Shroud of Turin was fabricated with linen identical to that on the famous shroud, a human impression was forged onto the shroud by placing the linen over a volunteer's face and body, and the cloth was artificially aged the with heat.

A BPA Approach to the Shroud of Turin
Matteo Borrini Ph.D.

Luigi Garlaschelli M.Sc.
First published: 10 July 2018

A BPA Approach to the Shroud of Turin.


Presented at the 66th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, February 17‐22, 2014, in Seattle, WA; and the 67th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, February 16‐21, 2015, in Orlando, FL.

 

[ChristineM]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

The shroud is obviously an early attempt at photography in 2 dimensions, had the sheet been draped over a body it would have totally different 3D image.

For those who dont get the difference between 2d and 3d laid out o a 2d plane here is an easy diy demonstration. Take a large(ish) handkerchief and a marker pen. Lie flat on your back, drape the cloth over your face. Now mark important points of your face onto the cloth. Carefully the inner and outer points of your eyes, where the sides of your nose meets your cheeks, the edges of your mouth, your temples, your ears.

Now place the cloth on a flat surface and sketch your face on it using the marked points.

Does the shroud look remotely like the result?


Also it does not match the biblical account.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The Shroud itself isn’t fake. It’s the certainty that the image on it is Jesus that is fake. But to this day no one knows how the heck that image got on that thing. No one has been able to mimic it.

(Carbon) Dating to the 13th or 14th century - what exactly then is a fake?

 

[1213]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward
...

That sounds odd, maybe I don’t understand you correctly, but it sounds you are anatomically very different than me. I looked the image and I can be in same position and I think I have quite normal hands.

 

[gnostic]

the arms are too long

the body in rest might have arm length enough for the hands
to cover the navel

to cover the pelvic with right hand
and the right wrist with the left hand
the arms must be straightened
and the shoulders drawn slightly forward

a dead body would need be wrapped starting at the shoulders....slightly forward
keeping the elbow straight...continue wrapping

that is not what we see on the Shroud

It wasn’t just the Shroud that was fake.

Catholic and Orthodox churches have also collected a number of different body parts of certain saints that they hold in reverence.

It is a rather morbid custom.

 

[Thief]

That sounds odd, maybe I don’t understand you correctly, but it sounds you are anatomically very different than me. I looked the image and I can be in same position and I think I have quite normal hands.

ok....lay at rest on your back
upper arm at rest both sides
elbows bent
and lay your hands unto your navel

can you cover your right wrist? with your left hand
and do your elbows lift from the floor?

to cover your pelvic......you straighten your arms?
and do your shoulders come forward?

the Shroud shows arms and position to cover the pelvic
but the arms with elbows not straightened

 

[David J]

Study of data from 1988 Shroud of Turin testing suggests mistakes
July 24, 2019
by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

A team of researchers from France and Italy has found evidence that suggests testing of the Shroud of Turin back in 1988 was flawed. In their paper published in Oxford University's Archaeometry, the group describes their reanalysis of the data used in the prior study, and what they found.


Back in 1988, a team of researchers was granted access to the Shroud of Turin—a small piece of cloth that many believe was used to cover the face of Christ after crucifixion. As part of the research effort, several research entities were chosen to examine individual pieces of cloth from the shroud, but in the end, only three were allowed to do so: The University of Arizona in the U.S., the Federal Institute of Technology in Switzerland and Oxford University in the U.K.

After testing was concluded, the researchers announced that all three research groups had dated their cloth snippets to a time between 1260 and 1390—evidence that the shroud was not from the time of Christ. But there was a problem with the findings—the Vatican, which owns the shroud, refused to allow other researchers access to the data. In this new effort, the research team sued the University of Oxford, which had the data, for access—and won. After studying the data for two years, the new research team announced that the study from 1988 was flawed because it did not involve study of the entire shroud—just some edge pieces. Edge pieces from the shroud are rumored to have been tampered with by nuns in the Middle Ages seeking to restore damage done to the shroud over the years. In a recent interview with L"Homme Nouveau, Tristan Casabianca, team lead on the new effort, claimed that the raw data from the 1988 tests showed that the test samples were heterogeneous, invalidating the results.

The researchers suggest that new studies must be conducted on the shroud if its true date is to be ascertained. For that to happen, the Vatican will once again have to provide access to the shroud, which appears to be in doubt, as officials with the church have proven reluctant to allow further testing.

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-shroud-turin.html

 

[Mock Turtle]

with the church have proven reluctant to allow further testing.

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-shroud-turin.html

Says it all. Interested in the truth - not so much.

 

[roger1440]

(Carbon) Dating to the 13th or 14th century - what exactly then is a fake?

The fake part is that the image of Jesus is on it. Jesus was already dead for over 1000 years.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The fake part is that the image of Jesus is on it. Jesus was already dead for over 1000 years.

Yes, but the shroud itself was a fake - purportedly to be that of Jesus - when it was not, and most likely medieval just like so many other relics around at the time (13th or 14th century).