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The Silent Epidemic of Male Suicide

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
Point taken. I was mostly venting frustration at the faux-victim attitudes of your average guy making "masculist" arguments, who's likely to be a white middle-class adult. Masculine-coded behavior amongst children and teens is often stigmatized. You raise a lot of more subtle issues that are certainly worth discussing. One thing that springs to mind in that regard is the demonization of "violent" toys, playground games etc. that often comes up. That kinda ties in with the massive gender divide in toys and other things marketed to children. I'm pretty sure there's also been a lot written and said about the demonization of black masculinity in America, and for good reason.
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
I believe that you're serious.....just wrong.
I'm a fire breathing evolutionist, & I have all the meaning I want.
Moreover, believers also commit suicide, so there must be something else at work here.
I say look into stress, grief & most of all, mental illness.

Personally, I find scientific endeavors & knowledge quite uplifting.
Mayhaps some think otherwise because they're threatened by science, & seek to demonize it.

I think suicide is a function of the separation of labour (in the sociological sense)

More details available on request.
 

MD

qualiaphile
I'm sorry that you feel your "lift hard, bang hard" sentiments have a place at the grown-up table.

Why? Are you denying the calming effects of weightlifting and sex on a man's psyche? There is a mountain of evidence which supports that view.

Just because I don't talk like some PC leftist makes the argument invalid?
 

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
Why? Are you denying the calming effects of weightlifting and sex on a man's psyche? There is a mountain of evidence which supports that view.

Just because I don't talk like some PC leftist makes the argument invalid?

There is absolutely nothing gendered about weightlifting though. Some men like it and some men don't. Some women like it and some women don't, etc.

Why are you sexist against men? It is obvious why you would be sexist against women, but you seem to be very sexist against men as well.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Why? Are you denying the calming effects of weightlifting and sex on a man's psyche? There is a mountain of evidence which supports that view.

Just because I don't talk like some PC leftist makes the argument invalid?
Lol, I acknowledge the health benefits of both sex and exercise.
 

chevron1

Active Member
The f is a "bisexual straight man"? Also, it's way harder to be trans than to be a cis gay man.

a bisex straight man is a gay man who only has sex with women due to social pressure.


It's like one of those chihuahuas who can't stop barking.

the chihuahua is the only dog that a man can hold in one hand while he strokes with the other.


You know what's really vilified? Male femininity. And yet you never see self-proclaimed "men's rights activists" fighting for the rights of men to wear dresses or be sexually penetrated... wonder why?

you also never see mens rights activists fighting for the right to be men anymore either. they fight for the right to be acceptable to women.
 

chevron1

Active Member
There is absolutely nothing gendered about weightlifting though. Some men like it and some men don't. Some women like it and some women don't, etc.

weightlifting is more sexed (not gendered) than you might realize. although women do weight train, statistically, they do not.
 

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
Heterosexual masculinity is not in any danger. The harder one tries to assert their narrow view of masculinity, the more vulnerable and easily offended he proves himself to be. It's like one of those chihuahuas who can't stop barking.

You know what's really vilified? Male femininity. And yet you never see self-proclaimed "men's rights activists" fighting for the rights of men to wear dresses or be sexually penetrated... wonder why?

I beg to differ. It really just depends on who you ask. Extreme feminists argue that heterosexual males need femininity and need feminism and vilify traditional masculinity. Even when the so-called "patriarchy" works in favor of females and to the detriment of males, it's apparently--to they--a scheme of the patriarchy.

We can, of course, denounce extremists, but the reality is that they tend to be the ones that make their voices heard loudest. It's very striking and terribly ironic when groups of people get together to picket, protest, and even make bomb threats when males peacefully congregate to discuss issues that specifically affect them, such as the topic of suicide.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I beg to differ. It really just depends on who you ask. Extreme feminists argue that heterosexual males need femininity and need feminism and vilify traditional masculinity. Even when the so-called "patriarchy" works in favor of females and to the detriment of males, it's apparently--to they--a scheme of the patriarchy.

We can, of course, denounce extremists, but the reality is that they tend to be the ones that make their voices heard loudest. It's very striking and terribly ironic when groups of people get together to picket, protest, and even make bomb threats when males peacefully congregate to discuss issues that specifically affect them, such as the topic of suicide.
If we are going to focus on extremist behavior, we might as well focus on such behavior from both sides. Extremist that are anti feminists have threatened, rape, murder, and other assorted violent activities, not peacefully congregated to discuss issues.
 

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
If we are going to focus on extremist behavior, we might as well focus on such behavior from both sides. Extremist that are anti feminists have threatened, rape, murder, and other assorted violent activities, not peacefully congregated to discuss issues.

Fine. Let's compare both. It doesn't discredit the premise. And those male extremists are absolutely treated universally with contempt, whereas extreme feminists have a large connection of support from moderates.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Fine. Let's compare both. It doesn't discredit the premise. And those male extremists are absolutely treated universally with contempt, whereas extreme feminists have a large connection of support from moderates.
Now you are talking about moderate behavior. .we are shifting quickly. Would you classify me as a moderate? I don't support bomb threats or "man-hating" or male phobia. But you, I am sure are discussing other moderates, who are these moderate feminists, and what, whom and how do they support?
 

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
Now you are talking about moderate behavior. .we are shifting quickly. Would you classify me as a moderate? I don't support bomb threats or "man-hating" or male phobia. But you, I am sure are discussing other moderates, who are these moderate feminists, and what, whom and how do they support?

Of course, you know there is no black and white delineation of these groups. Moderates may support extremists in a small way by self-identifying with said group. But most importantly, irrationality begins to seep in when one hears only one side of the story. When people begin to identify with one group, this is often an unfortunate side-effect, not exclusive to feminists. The reality is that while feminists claim to support equality between both sexes--and some of them are very on-par, by the way--the primary angle yet seems to be an assumption that females are victimized by a patriarchal culture and that to achieve equality is by nearly sole advancement of females, whatever that may entail. Some of the more egalitarian, or moderate, feminists will point out some of the challenges of males, but even they are unlikely to dedicate time to pursuing the dissemination of such information, let alone the correction of the dynamic. Also, one thing I do reject, even from moderates is the idea that "males need feminism." No. Feminism is optional. There is nothing wrong with masculinity necessarily.

I don't believe classifying you as one or the other would be remotely helpful in discussion. I will say that I am supremely concerned with equality between the sexes, and that is what precipitated my leave from feminist self-identification. In fact, if we are to end the gender wars, I'm afraid the only way to do it is to put down our weapons and stop blaming one over the other.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
What's to discuss? No one knows exactly why men tend to commit suicide (or at least accomplish it) more often.
Men attempt suicide more often because the lives of men are very stressful and we're expected to hide it. Men tend to take failure to succeed in social obligations very hard and then are expected to hide signs of weakness. So men are less likely to express when they're depressed and suicidal. So it tends to fester.

Men are more likely to succeed at a suicide attempt because they typically choose more violent methods than women do.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The key is to not give a ****, lift hard, read well, bang hard and eat lots of protein. Have a few kids to pass your values onto, and vote libertarian or conservative. Trust family and few good friends over anyone else. OH and eat lettuce, otherwise you will get constipation from all that protein. :)
Hahahaha.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
have you compared the suicide rate for gay men? they are coming under pressure to conform as hetero trans-women or bisexual straight men.

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That's a straight male transvestite, not a heterosexual trans woman. :rolleyes:
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
I don't know what this means.
Please explain.
It goes a little something like this.

Back before large towns/cities, everyone did roughly the same jobs. Hunted and gathered and the associated tasks. This was a highly communal way of living. Communities were closer, so if a member had issues they had plenty of social support.

But with the introduction of other skills eg blacksmithing, mining and trading, community members had to travel, live in different areas. With that came social separation, less communal support.

Ergo depression.

With the invention of tv, digital gaming and the internet we are even less connected.
 
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