The "Sin" of eating Pork and Shellfish

[sandy whitelinger]

Greetings everybody. For all my fellow Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin, and point out the verses from Leviticus to point it out, do you skip over the next few verses? Didn't you know pork and shellfish are also sins? Do you just pick and choose what to believe?

Those are not admonitions to Gentiles.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why swine is a abusive to be called because you dont like it, so how come eat it

You realize that most people would consider it just as abusive to be called a vegetable or a cow, right?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I was posing this question as a hypothetical. I love pork myself. This was a question to my fellow Christians about why some of us must insist to continue to cite Leviticus to bash gay people, when Leviticus also bashes eating pork just as venemently.

 

[fallingblood]

It depends how you interpret those verses in the NT. No the NT doesn't say homosexuality is a sin necessarily.

I agree, but for this subject, interpretation is everything. And since the Bible is so easily interpreted in so many ways, many problems occur.

I think the main problem is that most people do not understand Greek (which does help) and that we don't have the original manuscripts. Either way though, I believe that the persecution of homosexuality is hypocritical. I think a better argument though is that Jesus states that one should love their neighbor as themselves, which would include homosexuals.

 

[zaph'nath-paan'eah]

Peace be upon you.

Matthew 15:1-39

10. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand

11. NOT THAT WHICH GOETH INTO THE MOUTH DEFILETH A MAN; BUT THAT WHICH COMETH OUT OF THE MOUTH, THAT DEFILETH A MAN.

16. And Jesus said, (to his disciple) are you also yet without understanding?

17. Do not ye yet understand, that whathsoever entereth in at the mouth go into the belly, and is cast out into the draugth?

18. But those things wich proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19. FOR OUT OF THE HEART PROCEED EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDER, ADULTERIES, FORNICATION,THEFTS, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES:

these are the things which defile a man :

BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN.

EITHER WHAT YOU EAT.

 

[Levite]

Matthew 15:1-39

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11. NOT THAT WHICH GOETH INTO THE MOUTH DEFILETH A MAN; BUT THAT WHICH COMETH OUT OF THE MOUTH, THAT DEFILETH A MAN.
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Matthew 5:17. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Jesus was a Jew. He was clearly trained by the Rabbis, and seems likely to have spent time with the Essenes, or some such ascetic sect. But I am not aware of any Jewish movement within the Land of Israel during the time of Jesus' life that actually advocated overturning the Torah and abdicating the commandments. I find it unlikely in the extreme of the extreme that Jesus would have won any followers to his claim of messiahdom by advocating the abdication of the commandments.

Rather, I think, in the classic style of the prophets (vide Amos, Hosea, even parts of Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Isaiah), what Jesus is trying to say in the section that you've quoted is that God does not relish hypocrisy. What point is there to being punctilious in the commandments of ritual purity if one is, at the same time, acting reprehensibly toward one's fellows. The idea is not that the commandments for ritual purity should be abandoned, but that one should follow them AND be a good person.

I don't deny that the apostate Paul turned what Jesus said into something very, very different, which is what Christians today follow. But I am deeply skeptical that what Paul came up with bears any resemblance to what Jesus would actually have said.

 

[zaph'nath-paan'eah]

Peace be upon you.

It does not mean that you have to eat unclean animal Jesus did it because of the abuse of the Priest with th e people because of what they was force to eat.

So it meant it is not a sin to eat or not to eat unclean animals but to do wrong to other like they was doing that is a sin.

If you really know God you won't eat unclean animal or animal's at all.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Jesus wasn't talking about the Torah when he said that Levite, or at least not the letter of the Torah in a literal sense. Most translations render that: I have come not to destroy, but to COMPLETE THEM.

 

[rusra02]

Greetings everybody. For all my fellow Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin, and point out the verses from Leviticus to point it out, do you skip over the next few verses? Didn't you know pork and shellfish are also sins? Do you just pick and choose what to believe?

The laws in Leviticus applied to only the nation of Israel. These laws are no longer in force, because Christ fulfilled the purpose of the Law and instituted a new covenant under which Christians find themselves today. The dietary restrictions, keeping of sabbath days and years, and other features of the Mosaic law are no longer in force.

Having said that, we can learn much about God's thinking and feelings by reading the Law. Clearly, God does not approve of immorality, including homosexual acts.
God's law against such things is a feature of the new covenant, and true Christians understand that homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers who are unrepentant will receive God's adverse judgement. (1 Corinthians 6:9,10 and other scriptures.)

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Rusra I already pointed out how 1 Corinthians 6 is taken out of context.

 

[rusra02]

Rusra I already pointed out how 1 Corinthians 6 is taken out of context.

The context is clear. Paul was dealing with problems in the Corinthian congregation(s), such as brothers defrauding other brothers and taking them to court. He then mentions the vile sins that will prevent a person from receiving everlasting life, including homosexual acts. This scripture and others clearly state God's position on homosexuality. It is obscene in God's eyes and merits his disapproval.