The soul

[BucephalusBB]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

BTW, as you notice, these questions are not based upon any belief of the soul, e.g. mine.

 

[sandandfoam]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

BTW, as you notice, these questions are not based upon any belief of the soul, e.g. mine.

Hi BB,

Sensory processing happens outside the brain e.g. retinal processing. So in a manner of speaking, yes, souls can think without a brain.
Speaking without a mouth - sure I think there are many examples of that, writing, music etc etc
I'm not sure a soul occupies a spot & I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Could you put it another way?

 

[BucephalusBB]

Hi BB,

Sensory processing happens outside the brain e.g. retinal processing. So in a manner of speaking, yes, souls can think without a brain.
Speaking without a mouth - sure I think there are many examples of that, writing, music etc etc
I'm not sure a soul occupies a spot & I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Could you put it another way?

Yeah, even though you did give it a nice answer to explain my thoughts, this was not exactly what I meant..
The sensoring process happens somewhere in the body. The writings need to be written and the music comes out of a mouth somewhere.. You understood exactly what I meant with the spot as you gave a perfectly good answer to that..

What I am trying to find here, if there would be any way, at all, to notice a soul if a soul cannot expres itself.


btw, is a soul good for anything besides free will?

 

[Troublemane]

Hey BB, these are excellent questions. and speaking as one who was (and is) fiercely resistant to anything not backed up with experiential data, I have spent a long time trying to reconcile my intellectual understanding of spiritual phenomena, with my direct experiences. I still haven't got a perfect answer yet, but I have a few really good ideas, I have adopted, which help me grasp the idea of "soul", and so far they've stood up fairly well, I think, so I will try to give my interpretations of the phenomena of which you are speaking, in your questions:

(1)Can a soul think without a brain?-- souls don't "think" in the conventional way we do. souls are the divine spark which enable us to think at all, so you could say a soul is the source of thought itself. soul is also, in another way, the individual's link to the Universal Mind, so rather than being a thing that can be measured, its really a dimension of selfhood. Forgetting the soul when considering a person would be like building a house with only width and height. It looks pretty from the front, but there's no room to live inside.

(2)can a soul speak without a mouth? ---souls communicate through intent. I believe the soul is the source for all thought/emotions/drives, etc. so you cannot "hear" a soul speaking to you with your "ears", you can only sense its communicating with you through your own soul. The way I have experienced it, is like that rising feeling you get right before an idea strikes you, when it hasnt formed entirely but you can feel it coming on. that subtle feeling right there is what it feels like when a spirit (or soul) is talking to you. you have to still your mind quite a bit to hear it, but it can be done.

(3)can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?--I think you are asking if the soul has extension, can be measured physically, and the answer is no, not really. if it has any physical aspect at all, its as a subtle vibration, which may be (i believe) smaller that the smallest sub-subatomic particle. Its vibrating so fast though that it has an energetic presence in space, and we can feel it--but only though our own souls. maybe souls all operate in the same frequency range, is why? I dont know, thats just a guess.

(4) is it possible to build a machine to spot a soul?---I dont think so, but you never know. Maybe as string theory starts being better understood, and science starts to examine all the subtle stirrings in space around us, and not just focusing on the big, planet-sized things moving around,..maybe? but who knows! :angel2:

 

[Runewolf1973]

I like Troublemane's answers. For most people in order to "listen" to what a spirit is saying it is true, we must still the mind. For some such as my fiancee who talks to the dead, she does say she actually hears them with her own ears and sees them with her own eyes. I believe it is because her vibrational energy is a little different than most. She picks up the vibrations others don't and those are translated into sound. Notice how animals can hear sounds that to humans are inaudible? There are many sounds that go on that we do not even hear. What is interesting as well, we have a spirit that resides in our house that my fiancee talks to. Apparently his favorite food when he was alive was baby carrots with butter and this particular spirit mentioned that he can even "taste" food, but he just cannot actually eat it. There are machines that can pick up spirit energy if we tune them properly....our own human bodies. Problem is we put more faith in mechanical devices than we do in our ourselves. For an actual man-made mechanical device to be able to pick up those vibrational frequencies would probably have to be as complexly designed as the human body itself.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

The average human adult brain has around 100 billion neurons and 1000 times as many synaptic connections. Our thoughts and consciousness exist because of the processes which take place within this unimaginably complex structure. If thought could exist apart from a structure such as this, there would have been no evolutionary reason for such a structure to develop over the eons it took to reach its current form.

 

[Mjolnir]

The soul cannot think without a brain or speak without a mouth because the soul is us. Our brains create the conception of the soul so how can it exist without our brains there to create that conception. As atotalstranger said, the human brain is the product of ages of evolution. This is just like our thought process, it is an extremely complex process that can create advanced ideas like the soul. Our idea of the soul is synonymous with we, as people, and we all have the logos/divine spark within us. As far as a machine goes, a machine does not have logos within it so it cannot ever think of a soul.

Just my own little views.

 

[Troublemane]

i think thats putting the cart before the horse. soul is what matter is patterned after, so the reason that brains evolved at all is because the soul of man guided it that way. not consciously, but more as to how you might say the first light bulb was invented. through experiment, trial and error...but why did anyone spend all that time trying to make a light bulb in the first place? the idea was there, tantalizingly close. the thought that maybe it could be done. this could be called potential...I think souls reside in the realm of the potential, maybe the vacuum fluctuations are soul.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

BTW, as you notice, these questions are not based upon any belief of the soul, e.g. mine.

Hi Bouncing Ball, it is my understanding that a soul is actually spirit incarnate (though at the same time not discontinuous with universal spirit) and therefore has not the limitations that are applicable to it's mortal expression, i.e. soul does not think, does not speak, and is not displaced by, or displaces anything.

Therefore it is inappropriate to ask the questions of the soul that in fact refer to attributes of a living mortal human body.

Perhaps this question is better pondered,..can a human body be alive without it being animated by some cosmic animating spiritual principle, i.e. can the human brain think without a soul, etc..

 

[BucephalusBB]

Perhaps this question is better pondered,..can a human body be alive without it being animated by some cosmic animating spiritual principle, i.e. can the human brain think without a soul, etc..

Well, personally I think it's possible to live without a soul. And then if you would ask me how... I don't know. Humanity does not know yet.

Wich is technically exactly the same answer as saying the soul does exist and when asked what the soul is.... "I don't know".

And as good as the same answer as giving tons of different things a soul can be.

And again a better answer (in my opinion) as saying the soul does exist and giving only one explaination of the soul.

 

[3.14]

if there is a soul its probaly the electrical stimuly in the brain now this energy in used in every part of the body to give orders so if the soul is just an electrical current in the brain we should be able to map abnormal brain activity when the soul does something

or even better if the soul is all electrical activity in the brain we should be able to drain it and encage it leaving a soulless liveless husk behind

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Wich is technically exactly the same answer as saying the soul does exist and when asked what the soul is.... "I don't know".

Perhaps so, but that's not what I'm trying to convey.

The human mind not only doesn't know what the soul is, it can't ever know, as it is limited by it's inherent natural cosmic evolutionary design criteria of functioning from a time-space dualistic frame of reference in the phenomenal world.

However, whilst soul may beyond the ken of the mortal mind, it nevertheless can be intuited by those whose who have developed the higher faculty of intuition.

 

[Katzpur]

Few questions regarding the soul:

May I substitute "spirit" for "soul" since I think your questions refer to what I would call a "spirit"?

Can a soul think even without a brain?

Yes.

Can a soul speak without a mouth?

Yes.

can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

I believe that a spirit is nothing more than highly refined matter, matter that is too fine and pure for mortal eyes to see. If, however, we could see spirits, we would see that they essentially look like the physical beings they occupy during mortality.

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

Huh?

 

[zenzero]

Friend BB,

Well, personally I think it's possible to live without a soul. And then if you would ask me how... I don't know. Humanity does not know yet.

Wich is technically exactly the same answer as saying the soul does exist and when asked what the soul is.... "I don't know".

And as good as the same answer as giving tons of different things a soul can be.

And again a better answer (in my opinion) as saying the soul does exist and giving only one explaination of the soul.
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Your response makes it very clear that there is something dividing the two i.e. our body and the soul and that is the MIND.
The MIND itself is the central point as had mentioned in a thread. The Mind has allowed you to THINK and state that the body can live without a soul or vice versa.and TRUTH can only be realised by being with truth itself and that is possible by STILLING that MIND.
A Still Mind is when that universal soul or energy and the individual soul are one in a flow and there there is no-mind and no *I* to know and explain the experience.

Love & rgds

 

[BucephalusBB]

Huh?

If we can see a soul, surelly a camera can, if we can hear a soul, surelly a microphone can, etc..

In general, machines are allready better in most human functions.

 

[Katzpur]

If we can see a soul, surelly a camera can, if we can hear a soul, surelly a microphone can, etc..

In general, machines are allready better in most human functions.

But I said we can't see a soul -- not in our human state.

 

[BucephalusBB]

But I said we can't see a soul -- not in our human state.

matter that is too fine and pure for mortal eyes to see

But this does not mean we cannot see them with a special camera. Our eyes are far from perfect..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

But this does not mean we cannot see them with a special camera. Our eyes are far from perfect..

Perhaps spirit is of the zero point field which extends beyond Planck's length and therefore way beyond current science to detect.

However, though now retired, I used to work with satellite remote sensing systems and certainly it is possible to sense living energy fields in the infra-red spectral range associated with agricultural crops, which could then be translated to 'false' visible colors for yield prediction, but these bio-fields are probably associated with the etheric, not yet even the astral fields, not less the manasic and higher spiritual vibrational fields.

 

[jtartar]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

BTW, as you notice, these questions are not based upon any belief of the soul, e.g. mine.

Bouncing Ball,
For you to understand the truth about the soul, you must first ascertain what exactly a soul is.
The Holy Scriptures tell us that they are good for setting things straight, so what do the scriptures say about the soul???
The Hebrew word for soul is nephesh, which means that which breathes. The term in Greek is Psyche., and means the same thing as nephesh does in the Hebrew Scriptures.
This term is used hundreds of times in the Hebrew scriptures, and means a breathing creature, whether man or animal. The first time this word Nephesh is used is at Gen 1:20-23, speaking about animal creations.
Consider what is said about the soul that God created as Adam, Gen 2:7. Notice that in this scripture man BECAME a living soul when God breathed into him the breath of life. He was not created and then given a soul, Adam was a soul, just as all breathing animals are souls.
God uses the word to mean the life of an individual.
God even speaks of Himself as a soul, talking about His life, or self, Ps 11:5, Prov 6:16.
The soul therefore, is NOT immortal, Eze 18:4,20. When Peter was giving a talk at Pentecost he said, at Acts 3:23, any soul that will not listen to Jesus will be completely destroyed from amoung the people.
At Matt 10:28, where we are told not to fear the one who can only kill the body, or life hear on earth now, but to be in fear of the one who after killing can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Jesus was warning about being thrown into the Lake of Fire, which actually destroys all life and hope of a resurrection. Men can only kill the fleshly body, God can destroy so that there is nothing left of a person, Mark 9:43-48, Rev 20:14,15.

 

[jtartar]

Few questions regarding the soul:

Can a soul think even without a brain?
Can a soul speak without a mouth?
can there be anything at the spot where a soul is?

If certain humans can spot a soul, in any way, is it possible to build a machine that can?

BTW, as you notice, these questions are not based upon any belief of the soul, e.g. mine.

Bouncing Ball,
To answer questions about the soul, you must understand what the soul is according to the Holy Scriptures.
When searching for answers to Biblical truths, you need to acquire a concordance.
Look up the Hebrew word translated soul. You will find that the term soul is used for the life of both man and animal. God even uses the term soul when speaking about His own life.
The Hebrew word translated soul is Nephesh.
At Gen 2:4, when God created Adam, notice that when God formed man from the ground He blew into him the breath of life and Adam BECAME aliving soul, Adam was not formed and then given a soul. We are all souls, animal and man, Ecc 3:18-20.
There is a term called Psychopannychy, which means that when a person dies, his soul is also dead and will not wake up until the resurrection of the body. This concept is true!!
There is also a term, Nullibicity, which means that a soul cannot exist in space independent of the body. This is also true!!
Nephesh actually means BREATHER, both animal and man.
Another point is one mentioned by Paul at 1Thes 5:23, where Paul speaks of the spirit, the soul and the body, called Trichotomy. Another word is apropos here, Elementalism; meaning that the body is made up of three parts, but they can only be divided verbally, in the mind. If any one of the three is removed, the person ceases to exist as a livig being.
Contrary to what many have been taught, the soul is not immortal, Eze 18:4,20, Acts 3:23. Paul informs us that at the end of this old system of things some will be given immortality, 1Cor 15:51-54.