The Teleonomic Worldview of Atheism vs. The Teleological Worldview of Theism

[Gambit]

Meme machines have no problem to acquire and process responses from other meme machines and output replies to them. At least, this one doesn't. Apparently.

Agreed.

So, go ahead.

What have you got?

Meme machines do not exercise free will. (You are a meme machine who apparently believes that you can.)

"The self is not the initiator of actions, it does not 'have' consciousness, and it does not 'do' the deliberating. There is no truth in the idea of an inner self inside my body that controls the body and is conscious. Since this is false, so is the idea of my conscious self having free will." (source: pg. 237, "The Meme Machine" by Susan Blackmore)

 

[viole]

Agreed.



Meme machines do not exercise free will. (You are a meme machine who apparently believes that you can.)

You too, I am afraid.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Gambit]

You too, I am afraid.

So, are you acknowledging that your belief in free will is a belief in an illusion?

 

[viole]

So, are you acknowledging that your belief in free will is a belief in an illusion?

If you are talking about libertarian free will, then I think such a thing does not exist. It is not even an illusion. Unless you associate illusions with what our imagination can produce.

If I decide now to move that glass, then the new position of that physical glass was predetermined far before my decision. Ergo, my decision was predetermined, too. That is a necessary consequence of the unitarity of the laws of physics. The new state of that glass does not add information to the Universe. Nothing new under the sun, so to speak.

It could have been inferred millions years ago, if the perfect state of the Universe was known then. if we neglect quantum mechanics, for the sake of simplicity, and without losing generality substantially.

Free will derives from the lack of knowldge of that information, which is very hidden and inaccessible.

Like playing the roulette. Since you do not know the perfect initial mechanical state of the ball and the roulette, you can effectively use probability theory to play.

In other words, free will is so much of an illusion as playing roulette using probability is an illusion, too.

Ciao

- viole