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The testimony of the NT writers

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If you read the passage in John 21:24 in context it is quite clear that John 'testified' and 'wrote these things'! You're trying to deny the very words that confront you in the text.
What makes you think that? It was probably written by followers of John, but there is no reason to think that it was John. And some very good reasons to believe that someone else wrote it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I reviewed both sides of the coin unlike @Subduction Zone regardless of the source. After consideration, I found that those who lived closest to the event as well as the information given, had the greater weight...

as have a myriad of people!

In more recent events, atheist Cold Case investigator J. Warner Wallace set out to investigate it within his expertise and became a Christian. I doubt he had any bias.
No you did not. You could not find an unbiased source. Your own source admitted to being irrationally biased. Did you forget the quote? Or did you just not read it?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What makes you think that? It was probably written by followers of John, but there is no reason to think that it was John. And some very good reasons to believe that someone else wrote it.
And that is so wrong on so many points:

When it comes to the external evidence that supports Johannine authorship (that is, evidence outside of the Bible), D.A. Carson states that the contemporary scholars that dispute John’s authorship do so by virtually dismissing all the external evidences in John’s favor.He writes, “This is particularly regrettable. Most scholars of antiquity, were they assessing the authorship of some other document, could not so easily set aside evidence as plentiful, consistent and plainly tied to the source as is the external evidence that supports Johannine authorship.”[1]As has already been noted on the date of the Gospel’s composition, the Rylands Egyptian papyrus puts the writing earlier than 125, as it would have been written, copied, and spread before that time. This alone puts composition of this Gospel more than likely within John’s lifetime.The early church fathers also unanimously believed and agreed that John was the author of this gospel. “The early church seems to have accepted Johannine authorship without question. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian all see the apostle as the author. The first to quote this Gospel by name was Theophilus of Antioch, about A.D. 180.”[2]Carson writes, “Before this date, however, several writers, including Tatian (a student of Justin Martyr), Claudius Apollinaris (bishop of Hierapolis), and Athenagroas, unambiguously quote from the fourth gospel as an authoritative source.”[3] Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John himself. Thus, Thomas Lea and David Black write, “The most important external information about authorship of the Gospel comes from Polycarp, who was martyred in Smyrna in Asia Minor in A.D. 156 at the age of eighty-six.”[4]We see in Eusebius’s rendition of the statements made by Irenaeus that Irenaeus believed the Gospel to be written by John. Irenaeus writes, “John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.”[5] Thus Lea and Black state, “Irenaeus identified the fourth evangelist as John and linked him with the beloved disciple mentioned in John 13:32. We may feel that ultimately Irenaeus’s information originated with the witness of Polycarp.”[6]By the end of the second century, “there is virtual agreement in the church as to the authority, canonicity, and authorship of the Gospel of John.”[7] It is also interesting to point out the lack of dispute around this issue. B.F. Westcott writes, “It is significant that Eusebius, who had access to many works that are now lost, speaks without reserve of the fourth gospel as the unquestioned work of St. John.

who-wrote-the-gospel-of-john-external-evidence

But I understand that it just doesn't fit your narrative.

Have a great rest of your day. :)
 

lukethethird

unknown member
I reviewed both sides of the coin unlike @Subduction Zone regardless of the source. After consideration, I found that those who lived closest to the event as well as the information given, had the greater weight...

as have a myriad of people!

In more recent events, atheist Cold Case investigator J. Warner Wallace set out to investigate it within his expertise and became a Christian. I doubt he had any bias.
Everybody has bias.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, I was blind at one point but now I see, I was lost but now I am found. :)

And I will live happily ever after. Incidentally, God believe in you (in light of my signature) even if you don't.
Nope, you are still clearly blind.

Why couldn't you find an unbiased source? If anything my source had a bit of bias towards Christians. You found a source that openly stated that they were terminally biased.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And that is so wrong on so many points:

When it comes to the external evidence that supports Johannine authorship (that is, evidence outside of the Bible), D.A. Carson states that the contemporary scholars that dispute John’s authorship do so by virtually dismissing all the external evidences in John’s favor.He writes, “This is particularly regrettable. Most scholars of antiquity, were they assessing the authorship of some other document, could not so easily set aside evidence as plentiful, consistent and plainly tied to the source as is the external evidence that supports Johannine authorship.”[1]As has already been noted on the date of the Gospel’s composition, the Rylands Egyptian papyrus puts the writing earlier than 125, as it would have been written, copied, and spread before that time. This alone puts composition of this Gospel more than likely within John’s lifetime.The early church fathers also unanimously believed and agreed that John was the author of this gospel. “The early church seems to have accepted Johannine authorship without question. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian all see the apostle as the author. The first to quote this Gospel by name was Theophilus of Antioch, about A.D. 180.”[2]Carson writes, “Before this date, however, several writers, including Tatian (a student of Justin Martyr), Claudius Apollinaris (bishop of Hierapolis), and Athenagroas, unambiguously quote from the fourth gospel as an authoritative source.”[3] Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John himself. Thus, Thomas Lea and David Black write, “The most important external information about authorship of the Gospel comes from Polycarp, who was martyred in Smyrna in Asia Minor in A.D. 156 at the age of eighty-six.”[4]We see in Eusebius’s rendition of the statements made by Irenaeus that Irenaeus believed the Gospel to be written by John. Irenaeus writes, “John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.”[5] Thus Lea and Black state, “Irenaeus identified the fourth evangelist as John and linked him with the beloved disciple mentioned in John 13:32. We may feel that ultimately Irenaeus’s information originated with the witness of Polycarp.”[6]By the end of the second century, “there is virtual agreement in the church as to the authority, canonicity, and authorship of the Gospel of John.”[7] It is also interesting to point out the lack of dispute around this issue. B.F. Westcott writes, “It is significant that Eusebius, who had access to many works that are now lost, speaks without reserve of the fourth gospel as the unquestioned work of St. John.

who-wrote-the-gospel-of-john-external-evidence

But I understand that it just doesn't fit your narrative.

Have a great rest of your day. :)
Please find scholars. Do you know what a scholar is? Pastors of churches are not going to be scholars.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Everybody has bias.
That is so true...

So Lee Strobel had a bias against Christianity and as an investigative reports sought out to prove Christianity wrong.

He became a Christian and now he has a bias towards Christianity.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Please find scholars. Do you know what a scholar is? Pastors of churches are not going to be scholars.
Yes, yes, yes. Throw out the information because you don't like the person stating the information.

Analogy - it would be like if you were on a donkey and the donkey knew you were going to die... wait a minute. deja vu.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Everybody has bias.
Yes, but some are terminally biased. His first source required people to swear to a statement of faith that no matter what the Bible is the inerrant word of God. That means that reasoning does not matter as much as agreeing with the Bible.

If I used a site that said "The Bible is wrong no matter what" and made anyone that published there agree to that he would have rightfully laughed at me.

It is rather odd that he can't see that the same rule applies to his Bible.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, yes, yes. Throw out the information because you don't like the person stating the information.

Analogy - it would be like if you were on a donkey and the donkey knew you were going to die... wait a minute. deja vu.
Yes, one throws out claims tainted by bias.

One more time, scholars want to be right. Your sources only want the Bible to be right. If you want to play the Christian circle jerk claim do not be surprised when there are those that refuse to join in.

But, I do have to thank you for confirming that the Bible is not historic. When you refuse to use sources that base their work on history you have admitted to that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
@Kenny, if what your sources say is true you should be able to find unbiased scholarly sources that confirm it. If what they claim is false those sources will not exist.

I only used unbiased sources. I did not go looking for atheistic sources. You can findcthis again and again from multiple sources. I doubt if you can find any non-apologist sources that support that Quirinius was governor of Syria twice.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Yes, one throws out claims tainted by bias.

One more time, scholars want to be right. Your sources only want the Bible to be right. If you want to play the Christian circle jerk claim do not be surprised when there are those that refuse to join in.

But, I do have to thank you for confirming that the Bible is not historic. When you refuse to use sources that base their work on history you have admitted to that.
Hmmm... no. You seem to have a run on wrong. Or is it, you are on the wrong rung?

Clemente of Rome is right
Ignatius is right
Ireneaus is right

and modern scholars who seem to have no sense and were not present at those times, they are wrong :)
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
@Kenny, if what your sources say is true you should be able to find unbiased scholarly sources that confirm it. If what they claim is false those sources will not exist.

I only used unbiased sources. I did not go looking for atheistic sources. You can findcthis again and again from multiple sources. I doubt if you can find any non-apologist sources that support that Quirinius was governor of Syria twice.
Subduction Zone definition of "unbiased sources".

Those that don't line up with his position.

Please don't hesitate to view opposing positions from scholars:
John Knox (c. 1513 – 1572)
Ignatius of Loyola (c. 1491 – 1556)
Martin Luther (1483–1546)
Philip Melanchthon (1497–1560)
Huldrych Zwingli (1484–1531)
William Perkins (1558–1602)
Michael Servetus (1511–1553)
Menno Simons (1496–1561)
John of Avila (1500–1569)
17th century
Jacob Arminius (1560–1609)
Moses Amyraut (1596–1664)
Richard Baxter (1615–1691)
Jakob Boehme (1575–1624)
Zachary Boyd (1585–1653)
Stephen Charnock (1628–1680)
Francis de Sales (1567–1622)
Fenelon (1651–1715)
Owen Feltham (c. 1602 – 1668)
John Milton (1608–1674)
John Flavel (1627–1691)
George Fox (1624–1691)
John Goodwin (1593–1665)
Hugo Grotius (1583–1645)
John Owen (1616–1683)
Anton Praetorius (1560–1613)
Francis Turretin (1623–1687)
Herman Witsius (1636–1708)
18th century
George Bull (1634–1710)
Thomas Burnet (c. 1635 – 1715)
Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758)
John Fletcher (1729–1785)
John Gill (1697–1771)
Philipp Jakob Spener (1635–1705)
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772)
Charles Wesley (1707–1788)
John Wesley (1703–1791)
George Whitefield (1714–1770)
19th century
Archibald Alexander (1772–1851)
William Alexander (bishop) (1824–1911)
Leonard Bacon (1802–1881)
Nathan Bangs (1778–1862)
Lyman Beecher (1775–1863)
Nikolai Berdyaev (1874–1948)
William Booth (1829–1912)
Borden Parker Bowne (1847–1910)
Horace Bushnell (1802–1876)
Adam Clarke (1762–1832)
Charles Grandison Finney (1792–1875)
Wilbur Fisk (1792–1839)
Adolf Von Harnack (1851–1930)
Karl Heim (1874–1958)
A. A. Hodge (1823–1886)
Charles Hodge (1797–1878)
Hugh Price Hughes (1847–1902)
Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855)
Frederick Denison Maurice (1805–1872)
John Miley (1813–1895)
John Henry Newman (1801–1890)
Heinrich Paulus (1761–1851)
Franz Pieper (1852–1931)
William Burt Pope (1822–1903)
Walter Rauschenbusch (1861–1918)
Max Reischle (1858–1905)
Albrecht Ritschl (1822–1889)
Philip Schaff (1819–1893)
Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768–1834)
Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892)
Bernhard Stade (1848–1906)
Mary Baker Eddy (1821–1910)
James Strong (1822–1894)
James Strong (1833–1913)
Henry Barclay Swete (1835–1918)
William Temple (archbishop) (1881–1944)
Nathaniel William Taylor (1786–1858)
C.F.W. Walther (1811–1887)
Richard Watson (1781–1833)
Christian Hermann Weisse (1801–1866)
Charles Taze “Pastor” Russell (1852–1916)
Franz Delitzsch (1813–1890)
Billy Sunday (1862–1935)
20th century
Thomas J. J. Altizer (born 1927)
Greg Bahnsen (1948–1995)
Hans Urs von Balthasar (1905–1988)
Mildred Barker (1897–1990)
Karl Barth (1886–1968)
Louis Berkhof (1873–1957)
Anthony of Sourozh (1914–2003)
Marie-Émile Boismard (1916–2004)
Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906–1945)
Carl Braaten (born 1929)
Edgar S. Brightman (1884–1953)
F.F. Bruce (1910–1990)
Emil Brunner (1889–1966)
Sergei Bulgakov (1871–1944)
Rudolf Karl Bultmann (1884–1976)
G. B. Caird (1917–1984)
Lewis Sperry Chafer (1871–1952)
William Henry Chamberlin (1870–1921)
Gordon Clark (1902–1985)
Edmund Clowney (1917–2005)
John B. Cobb (born 1925)
James Hal Cone (born 1938)
Yves Congar (1904–1995)
Oscar Cullmann (1902–1999)
Dorothy Day (1897–1980)
Ignacio Ellacuría (1930–1989)
Avery Dulles (1918–2008)
Millard Erickson (born 1932)
Frederic William Farrar (1831–1903)
Paul S. Fiddes (born 1947)
Gerhard Forde (1927–2005)
Peter Taylor Forsyth (1842–1921)
Matthew Fox (born 1940)
Hans Wilhelm Frei (1922–1988)
Langdon Gilkey (1919–2004)
Friedrich Gogarten (1887–1967)
Justo Gonzalez (born 1937)
Billy Graham (1918–2018)
J. Kenneth Grider (born 1921)
Gustavo Gutiérrez (born 1928)
Georgia Harkness (1891–1974)
Adolf von Harnack (1851–1930)
Carl F. H. Henry (1913–2003)
Dietrich von Hildebrand (1889–1977)
Leonard Hodgson (1889–1969)
Anthony A. Hoekema (1913–1988)
Heinrich Julius Holtzmann (1832–1910)
Robert Jenson (born 1930)
E. Stanley Jones (1884–1973)
Catherine Keller (born 1953)
Meredith G. Kline (1922–2007)
Albert C. Knudson (1873–1953)
Kosuke Koyama (1929–2009)
Hans Küng (born 1928)
Abraham Kuyper (1837–1920)
George Eldon Ladd (1911–1982)
C. S. Lewis (1898 – 1963)
Edwin Lewis (1881–1959)
Bernard Lonergan (1904–1984)
Henri de Lubac (1896–1991)
J. Gresham Machen (1881–1937)
John Macquarrie (born 1919)
Martin E. Marty (born 1928)
Thomas Merton (1915–1968)
Johann Baptist Metz (born 1928)
Jurgen Moltmann (born 1926)
John Murray (1898–1975)
Watchman Nee
Reinhold Niebuhr (1892–1971)
H. Richard Niebuhr (1894–1962)
Anders Nygren (1890–1978)
Rudolf Otto (1869–1937)
Albert C. Outler (1908–1989)
J. I. Packer (born 1926)
David Pawson (born 1930)
Johannes Pedersen (1883–1977)
Karl Rahner (1904–1984)
Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
Rosemary Radford Ruether (born 1936)
Charles Ryrie (1925–2016)
Dorothy Sayers (1893–1957)
Francis Schaeffer (1912–1984)
Alexander Schmemann (1921–1983)
Albert Schweitzer (1875–1965)
Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza (born 1938)
Fulton Sheen (1895–1979)
Albert Benjamin Simpson (1843–1919)
Frank Stagg (1911–2001)
Dumitru Stăniloae (1903–1993)
John Stott (1921–2011)
William Stringfellow (1928–1985)
Marjorie Hewitt Suchocki (born 1933)
Henry Barclay Swete (1835–1918)
Paul Tillich (1886–1965)
Thomas F. Torrance (1913–2007)
A. W. Tozer (1897–1963)
Cornelius Van Til (1895–1987)
Nikolaj Velimirović (1880–1956)
Gerhard von Rad (1901–1971)
Geerhardus Vos (1862–1949)
John Walvoord (1910–2002)
Henry Wansbrough
B. B. Warfield (1851–1921)
Victor Paul Wierwille (1916–1985)
H. Orton Wiley (1877–1961)
Karol Wojtyła (Pope John Paul II) (1920–2005)
John Howard Yoder (1927–1997)
21st century
Tina Beattie (born 1955)
Marilyn McCord Adams (1943–2017)
James Alison (born 1959)
Marcella Althaus-Reid (1952–2009)
Rubem Alves (1933–2014)
Yves-Marie Adeline (born 1960)
John Ankerberg (born 1945)
Robert Arp
Joel R. Beeke (born 1952)
Alistair Begg (born 1952)
Joseph A. Bracken (born 1930)
Leonardo Boff (born 1938)
Marcus Borg (1942–2015)
Gregory Boyd (born 1957)
Michael L. Brown (born 1955)
Don Carson (born 1946)
William Lane Craig (born 1949)
Charles E. Curran (born 1934)
Gavin D’Costa (born 1958)
Marva Dawn
Mark Dever
Kwesi Dickson
Sinclair Ferguson
Roger T Forster (Born 1933)
John Frame (born 1939)
Robert A. J. Gagnon
Chris Glaser
Norman Geisler
Bob Goss
Stanley Grenz (1950–2005)
Wayne Grudem
Gary Habermas
Scott Hahn
Victor Paul Wierwille (1916–1985)
Catharina Halkes (1920–2011)
Stanley Hauerwas (born 1940)
John Hick
Michael Horton
Eric Hovind
Kent Hovind
Bolaji Idowu
Robert Jenson
Elizabeth Johnson
Scott J. Jones (born 1954)
Musimbi Kanyoro
Timothy J. Keller
John Lennox
Erwin Lutzer
Thomas Berry (1914–2009)
John F. MacArthur (born 1939)
John S Mbiti (born 1931)
Alister McGrath (born 1953)
Scotty McLennan (born 1948)
John J McNeill
Jürgen Moltmann (born 1926)
J.P. Moreland
R. Albert Mohler Jr.
Jesse Mugambi (born 1947)
Daniela Müller (born 1957)
George Newlands (born 1941)
Thomas C. Oden (born 1931)
Mercy Oduyoye (born 1934)
Thomas Jay Oord (born 1965)
Wolfhart Pannenberg (born 1928)
Eugene Peterson (born 1932)
Clark Pinnock
John Piper
Alvin Plantinga
Michael Plekon
John Polkinghorne
Vern Poythress
Andrew Purves
Robert L. Reymond
Adrian Rogers (September 12, 1931 – November 15, 2005)
Lamin Sanneh
Douglas Stuart
Edward Schillebeeckx (1914–2009)
Dorothee Soelle (1929–2003)
John Shelby Spong (born 1931)
R. C. Sproul
R.C. Sproul, Jr.
Elizabeth Stuart
Carsten Peter Thiede (1952–2004)
Anthony Thiselton (born 1937)
Stephen Tong
Miroslav Volf
Daniel B. Wallace (born 1952)
Graham Ward (born 1955)
Keith Ward (born 1938)
Paul Washer
Dallas Willard
J. Rodman Williams
Rowan Williams (born 1950)
William Willimon (born 1946)
Nancy Wilson
Ben Witherington
N. T. Wright
John Zizioulas

OH WAIT.. THESE ARE BIASED. ;)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hmmm... no. You seem to have a run on wrong. Or is it, you are on the wrong rung?

Clemente of Rome is right
Ignatius is right
Ireneaus is right

and modern scholars who seem to have no sense and were not present at those times, they are wrong :)
Hmmm... no. You seem to have a run on wrong. Or is it, you are on the wrong rung?

Clemente of Rome is right
Ignatius is right
Ireneaus is right

and modern scholars who seem to have no sense and were not present at those times, they are wrong :)
That is only your claims right now. You have yet to find a valid source that supports you even in that.

And remember, Acts essentially says that he did not write it. How can you keep forgetting this? It says that John was unlettered, in other words he was illiterate. Do you need the verse?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
That is only your claims right now. You have yet to find a valid source that supports you even in that.

And remember, Acts essentially says that he did not write it. How can you keep forgetting this? It says that John was unlettered, in other words he was illiterate. Do you need the verse?
Supportive documentation please. ;)

(I don't want to do all the work for you either.)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone definition of "unbiased sources".

Those that don't line up with his position.

Please don't hesitate to view opposing positions from scholars:
John Knox (c. 1513 – 1572)
Ignatius of Loyola (c. 1491 – 1556)
Martin Luther (1483–1546)
Philip Melanchthon (1497–1560)
Huldrych Zwingli (1484–1531)
William Perkins (1558–1602)
Michael Servetus (1511–1553)
Menno Simons (1496–1561)
John of Avila (1500–1569)
17th century
Jacob Arminius (1560–1609)
Moses Amyraut (1596–1664)
Richard Baxter (1615–1691)
Jakob Boehme (1575–1624)
Zachary Boyd (1585–1653)
Stephen Charnock (1628–1680)
Francis de Sales (1567–1622)
Fenelon (1651–1715)
Owen Feltham (c. 1602 – 1668)
John Milton (1608–1674)
John Flavel (1627–1691)
George Fox (1624–1691)
John Goodwin (1593–1665)
Hugo Grotius (1583–1645)
John Owen (1616–1683)
Anton Praetorius (1560–1613)
Francis Turretin (1623–1687)
Herman Witsius (1636–1708)
18th century
George Bull (1634–1710)
Thomas Burnet (c. 1635 – 1715)
Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758)
John Fletcher (1729–1785)
John Gill (1697–1771)
Philipp Jakob Spener (1635–1705)
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772)
Charles Wesley (1707–1788)
John Wesley (1703–1791)
George Whitefield (1714–1770)
19th century
Archibald Alexander (1772–1851)
William Alexander (bishop) (1824–1911)
Leonard Bacon (1802–1881)
Nathan Bangs (1778–1862)
Lyman Beecher (1775–1863)
Nikolai Berdyaev (1874–1948)
William Booth (1829–1912)
Borden Parker Bowne (1847–1910)
Horace Bushnell (1802–1876)
Adam Clarke (1762–1832)
Charles Grandison Finney (1792–1875)
Wilbur Fisk (1792–1839)
Adolf Von Harnack (1851–1930)
Karl Heim (1874–1958)
A. A. Hodge (1823–1886)
Charles Hodge (1797–1878)
Hugh Price Hughes (1847–1902)
Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855)
Frederick Denison Maurice (1805–1872)
John Miley (1813–1895)
John Henry Newman (1801–1890)
Heinrich Paulus (1761–1851)
Franz Pieper (1852–1931)
William Burt Pope (1822–1903)
Walter Rauschenbusch (1861–1918)
Max Reischle (1858–1905)
Albrecht Ritschl (1822–1889)
Philip Schaff (1819–1893)
Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768–1834)
Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892)
Bernhard Stade (1848–1906)
Mary Baker Eddy (1821–1910)
James Strong (1822–1894)
James Strong (1833–1913)
Henry Barclay Swete (1835–1918)
William Temple (archbishop) (1881–1944)
Nathaniel William Taylor (1786–1858)
C.F.W. Walther (1811–1887)
Richard Watson (1781–1833)
Christian Hermann Weisse (1801–1866)
Charles Taze “Pastor” Russell (1852–1916)
Franz Delitzsch (1813–1890)
Billy Sunday (1862–1935)
20th century
Thomas J. J. Altizer (born 1927)
Greg Bahnsen (1948–1995)
Hans Urs von Balthasar (1905–1988)
Mildred Barker (1897–1990)
Karl Barth (1886–1968)
Louis Berkhof (1873–1957)
Anthony of Sourozh (1914–2003)
Marie-Émile Boismard (1916–2004)
Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906–1945)
Carl Braaten (born 1929)
Edgar S. Brightman (1884–1953)
F.F. Bruce (1910–1990)
Emil Brunner (1889–1966)
Sergei Bulgakov (1871–1944)
Rudolf Karl Bultmann (1884–1976)
G. B. Caird (1917–1984)
Lewis Sperry Chafer (1871–1952)
William Henry Chamberlin (1870–1921)
Gordon Clark (1902–1985)
Edmund Clowney (1917–2005)
John B. Cobb (born 1925)
James Hal Cone (born 1938)
Yves Congar (1904–1995)
Oscar Cullmann (1902–1999)
Dorothy Day (1897–1980)
Ignacio Ellacuría (1930–1989)
Avery Dulles (1918–2008)
Millard Erickson (born 1932)
Frederic William Farrar (1831–1903)
Paul S. Fiddes (born 1947)
Gerhard Forde (1927–2005)
Peter Taylor Forsyth (1842–1921)
Matthew Fox (born 1940)
Hans Wilhelm Frei (1922–1988)
Langdon Gilkey (1919–2004)
Friedrich Gogarten (1887–1967)
Justo Gonzalez (born 1937)
Billy Graham (1918–2018)
J. Kenneth Grider (born 1921)
Gustavo Gutiérrez (born 1928)
Georgia Harkness (1891–1974)
Adolf von Harnack (1851–1930)
Carl F. H. Henry (1913–2003)
Dietrich von Hildebrand (1889–1977)
Leonard Hodgson (1889–1969)
Anthony A. Hoekema (1913–1988)
Heinrich Julius Holtzmann (1832–1910)
Robert Jenson (born 1930)
E. Stanley Jones (1884–1973)
Catherine Keller (born 1953)
Meredith G. Kline (1922–2007)
Albert C. Knudson (1873–1953)
Kosuke Koyama (1929–2009)
Hans Küng (born 1928)
Abraham Kuyper (1837–1920)
George Eldon Ladd (1911–1982)
C. S. Lewis (1898 – 1963)
Edwin Lewis (1881–1959)
Bernard Lonergan (1904–1984)
Henri de Lubac (1896–1991)
J. Gresham Machen (1881–1937)
John Macquarrie (born 1919)
Martin E. Marty (born 1928)
Thomas Merton (1915–1968)
Johann Baptist Metz (born 1928)
Jurgen Moltmann (born 1926)
John Murray (1898–1975)
Watchman Nee
Reinhold Niebuhr (1892–1971)
H. Richard Niebuhr (1894–1962)
Anders Nygren (1890–1978)
Rudolf Otto (1869–1937)
Albert C. Outler (1908–1989)
J. I. Packer (born 1926)
David Pawson (born 1930)
Johannes Pedersen (1883–1977)
Karl Rahner (1904–1984)
Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
Rosemary Radford Ruether (born 1936)
Charles Ryrie (1925–2016)
Dorothy Sayers (1893–1957)
Francis Schaeffer (1912–1984)
Alexander Schmemann (1921–1983)
Albert Schweitzer (1875–1965)
Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza (born 1938)
Fulton Sheen (1895–1979)
Albert Benjamin Simpson (1843–1919)
Frank Stagg (1911–2001)
Dumitru Stăniloae (1903–1993)
John Stott (1921–2011)
William Stringfellow (1928–1985)
Marjorie Hewitt Suchocki (born 1933)
Henry Barclay Swete (1835–1918)
Paul Tillich (1886–1965)
Thomas F. Torrance (1913–2007)
A. W. Tozer (1897–1963)
Cornelius Van Til (1895–1987)
Nikolaj Velimirović (1880–1956)
Gerhard von Rad (1901–1971)
Geerhardus Vos (1862–1949)
John Walvoord (1910–2002)
Henry Wansbrough
B. B. Warfield (1851–1921)
Victor Paul Wierwille (1916–1985)
H. Orton Wiley (1877–1961)
Karol Wojtyła (Pope John Paul II) (1920–2005)
John Howard Yoder (1927–1997)
21st century
Tina Beattie (born 1955)
Marilyn McCord Adams (1943–2017)
James Alison (born 1959)
Marcella Althaus-Reid (1952–2009)
Rubem Alves (1933–2014)
Yves-Marie Adeline (born 1960)
John Ankerberg (born 1945)
Robert Arp
Joel R. Beeke (born 1952)
Alistair Begg (born 1952)
Joseph A. Bracken (born 1930)
Leonardo Boff (born 1938)
Marcus Borg (1942–2015)
Gregory Boyd (born 1957)
Michael L. Brown (born 1955)
Don Carson (born 1946)
William Lane Craig (born 1949)
Charles E. Curran (born 1934)
Gavin D’Costa (born 1958)
Marva Dawn
Mark Dever
Kwesi Dickson
Sinclair Ferguson
Roger T Forster (Born 1933)
John Frame (born 1939)
Robert A. J. Gagnon
Chris Glaser
Norman Geisler
Bob Goss
Stanley Grenz (1950–2005)
Wayne Grudem
Gary Habermas
Scott Hahn
Victor Paul Wierwille (1916–1985)
Catharina Halkes (1920–2011)
Stanley Hauerwas (born 1940)
John Hick
Michael Horton
Eric Hovind
Kent Hovind
Bolaji Idowu
Robert Jenson
Elizabeth Johnson
Scott J. Jones (born 1954)
Musimbi Kanyoro
Timothy J. Keller
John Lennox
Erwin Lutzer
Thomas Berry (1914–2009)
John F. MacArthur (born 1939)
John S Mbiti (born 1931)
Alister McGrath (born 1953)
Scotty McLennan (born 1948)
John J McNeill
Jürgen Moltmann (born 1926)
J.P. Moreland
R. Albert Mohler Jr.
Jesse Mugambi (born 1947)
Daniela Müller (born 1957)
George Newlands (born 1941)
Thomas C. Oden (born 1931)
Mercy Oduyoye (born 1934)
Thomas Jay Oord (born 1965)
Wolfhart Pannenberg (born 1928)
Eugene Peterson (born 1932)
Clark Pinnock
John Piper
Alvin Plantinga
Michael Plekon
John Polkinghorne
Vern Poythress
Andrew Purves
Robert L. Reymond
Adrian Rogers (September 12, 1931 – November 15, 2005)
Lamin Sanneh
Douglas Stuart
Edward Schillebeeckx (1914–2009)
Dorothee Soelle (1929–2003)
John Shelby Spong (born 1931)
R. C. Sproul
R.C. Sproul, Jr.
Elizabeth Stuart
Carsten Peter Thiede (1952–2004)
Anthony Thiselton (born 1937)
Stephen Tong
Miroslav Volf
Daniel B. Wallace (born 1952)
Graham Ward (born 1955)
Keith Ward (born 1938)
Paul Washer
Dallas Willard
J. Rodman Williams
Rowan Williams (born 1950)
William Willimon (born 1946)
Nancy Wilson
Ben Witherington
N. T. Wright
John Zizioulas

OH WAIT.. THESE ARE BIASED. ;)
Oh look! An unattributed copy and paste from a dishonest source. That is a double loss.

A list of names, who may or may not be scholars does not help you.

You keep confirming that I am correct. You just don't see it.

An honest person would find unbiased sources that support one's claims and link the source.

Here is why the original source needs to be quoted and linked so that others can verify your claims:

"There is no God". The Bible.

Did I just refute the Bible by quoting it? By @Kenny 's standards I just did.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Supportive documentation please. ;)

(I don't want to do all the work for you either.)
Perfectly legitimate demand.

Acts 4:13 King James Version 13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:13 - King James Version.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Oh look! An unattributed copy and paste from a dishonest source. That is a double loss.

A list of names, who may or may not be scholars does not help you.

You keep confirming that I am correct. You just don't see it.

An honest person would find unbiased sources that support one's claims and link the source.

Here is why the original source needs to be quoted and linked so that others can verify your claims:

"There is no God". The Bible.

Did I just refute the Bible by quoting it? By @Kenny 's standards I just did.
DODGE :)
 
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