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The Theory of Evolution is supported by the evidence.

Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
David M said:
And what does this inane ramble have to do with the recent synthesis of synthetic DNA to produce a viable population?
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Maybe you missed something.

We can alter DNA.

Does that make it synthetic?

Or do we create plastic toys from nothing as well?

 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Maybe you missed something.

We can alter DNA.

Does that make it synthetic?

Or do we create plastic toys from nothing as well?
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The synthetic DNA was not simply altered... it was built one nucleotide at a time from raw materials. Unless you are arguing that the only things not made from preexisting molecules count as synthetic?
In which case there is nothing synthetic in existence.

wa:do
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
painted wolf said:
The synthetic DNA was not simply altered... it was built one nucleotide at a time from raw materials. Unless you are arguing that the only things not made from preexisting molecules count as synthetic?
In which case there is nothing synthetic in existence.

wa:do
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Exactly.

Though we can mutate and evolve DNA.

That doesn't make it necessarily synthetic, rather man made by mans natural curiosity and intellectual development.
 
David M

David M

Well-Known Member
Orias said:
Maybe you missed something.

We can alter DNA.

Does that make it synthetic?

Or do we create plastic toys from nothing as well?
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No, we can now assemble DNA from scratch. That is assembling an entire genome starting only from individual molecules.

Yes, creating something starting from individual molecules makes it synthetic.
 
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Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
David M said:
No, we can now assemble DNA from scratch. That is assembling an entire genome starting only from individual molecules.
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Any sites or information?

You say yourself from individual molecules.

Perhaps you don't understand.

By creating something from a molecule, you are creating something that already exists.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Orias said:
Any sites or information?

You say yourself from individual molecules.

Perhaps you don't understand.

By creating something from a molecule, you are creating something that already exists.
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In the same sense as building a house of individual bricks, or a book of individual words?
 
David M

David M

Well-Known Member
Orias said:
Any sites or information?

You say yourself from individual molecules.

Perhaps you don't understand.

By creating something from a molecule, you are creating something that already exists.
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Try Googling for Craig Ventner, its not as if this hasn't been a big item in the news.

No, you don't understand.

By creating something from its constituent molecules you are not creating something that already exists, you are creating something new that does not already exist using components that do exist.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
David M said:
Try Googling for Craig Ventner, its not as if this hasn't been a big item in the news.

No, you don't understand.

By creating something from its constituent molecules you are not creating something that already exists, you are creating something new that does not already exist using components that do exist.
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Hm...I do understand. You just contradicted yourself though, for you said you could create something from nothing.


You create something that does not exist from components that do exist, therefor you are creating something from something.

It's call improvisation.

And imagineative creativeness.
 
jml03

jml03

Member
I thought we were still missing the "link" between the apes and ourselves. And one question I have, why have we not evolved any more, physically I mean, in thousands of years?
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
jml03 said:
I thought we were still missing the "link" between the apes and ourselves. And one question I have, why have we not evolved any more, physically I mean, in thousands of years?
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Simply because man has evolved the enviroment to suit his needs.

When man can controll and grasp the very nature of his own compitence, he will create great feats within the ultimate form of what is, life and the great abstinence.

 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
jml03 said:
I thought we were still missing the "link" between the apes and ourselves.
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You were mistaken.
And one question I have, why have we not evolved any more, physically I mean, in thousands of years?
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We are evolving all the time, as are all living creatures. It's a very slow process. In the last several hundred thousand years we've evolved from this:
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The_Evelyonian

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
jml03 said:
I thought we were still missing the "link" between the apes and ourselves.
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Not really....

Ardipithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Australopithecus afarensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo habilis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo erectus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo antecessor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo heidelbergensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo rhodesiensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo neanderthalensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I thought we were still missing the "link" between the apes and ourselves.
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"missing link" is a buzzword and a not very useful one at that.
For example:
Humans=> "missing link" => Apes
Humans => "missing link" => Australopithicines => "missing link" => Apes.
Omg! Now there are twice as many "missing links"!

There will never be a single perfect "missing link" between any two species because evolution doesn't work that way... evolution is a continuous process, not steps on a ladder.

And one question I have, why have we not evolved any more, physically I mean, in thousands of years?
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We have... We have evolved stronger hearts, the ability to digest milk... our skulls are subtly different than even people living a few hundred years ago. We are changing, but we don't really notice because it's a slow process and we are part of it.

wa:do
 
David M

David M

Well-Known Member
Orias said:
Hm...I do understand. You just contradicted yourself though, for you said you could create something from nothing.


You create something that does not exist from components that do exist, therefor you are creating something from something.

It's call improvisation.

And imagineative creativeness.
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No I haven't contradicted myself, nowhere did I say that something was created from nothing. What I said was that something was created from its components resulting in a molecule of DNA that only exists because it was created artificially. It only exists because it was made by humans.

That is what synthetic means, created by an artificial process rather that a natural one.

Its called creating new life, just because you may not like the implications doesn't mean you can twist the definitions to try and deny it.
 
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