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The Theory of Evolution is supported by the evidence.

The Voice of Reason

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
Honestly, Danmac - do you realize how bad this makes you look? Do you understand that many people begin to see Christianity in a bad light, because of the continual denials of evidence that even a blind man can see?

This really is pathetic.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Danmac said:
subspeciation (variation within a kind)
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Wait, if you don't know what a kind is, how do you know whether something happens in, out, or around it? If you define a term in terms of an undefinable term, you haven't defined it.

transspeciation(lassie to flipper)
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Well no one is asserting that, so why are you talking about it?

I agree with subspeciation.
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So you agree with speciation, correct?
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Tell you what, Danmac, how about we all use the commonly accepted, standard, scientific definitions of words, so we all know what we're talking about, O.K.?
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
transspeciation(lassie to flipper)
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Stop making ****e up! You may think it makes you look intelligent, but it just shows the vapid nature of the creationist position.
Why are creationists (who supposedly believe the literal word of the Bible) so very very willing to lie, cheat and mislead?
Don't you have a commandment about that or something?

wa:do
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
God, I wish he were a Poe!
My patience is starting to fray and after nearly a decade of this... that is no small feat. Granted, I'm graduating in a month so... no added stress there! ;)

wa:do
 
The_Evelyonian

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
painted wolf said:
God, I wish he were a Poe!
My patience is starting to fray and after nearly a decade of this... that is no small feat. Granted, I'm graduating in a month so... no added stress there! ;)

wa:do
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Wow, if you've been putting up with people like him for nearly a decade, I'm surprised you aren't running down the street with your hair on fire.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Here is a picture of me after debating YECs for years:

Hair+Fire.jpg
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Wow, if you've been putting up with people like him for nearly a decade, I'm surprised you aren't running down the street with your hair on fire.
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Well, let's just say I'm a lot less sympathetic as I use to be... and a lot more willing to call out the purposefully ignorant from the genuinely questioning.

wa:do
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
painted wolf said:
God, I wish he were a Poe!
My patience is starting to fray and after nearly a decade of this... that is no small feat. Granted, I'm graduating in a month so... no added stress there! ;)

wa:do
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That's why I'm generally so snarky here. I've been arguing with creationists online for over a decade, thus my patience/tolerance is wafer thin. I'll ask a few questions, but once I get the sense they're just like all the others I've encountered, all bets are off.

In all that time, there are only three creationists that really stand out in my mind. The first was very up front and honest that he didn't care what the data or science said; Genesis was very clear and that's all that mattered to him. He and I actually got along fairly well.

The second was a raving creationist who would spout Hovind-isms ad nauseum. After almost a year, he finally started to realize that everything he was parroting was trivially shown to be bunk. So at his request, I sent him over to another group that was populated mostly by scientists. He joined and spent a bit of time asking genuine questions and making a decent effort. I believe now he's sort of apathetic about the issue, but that's still far better than where he started.

The third was a guy who I really, truly felt sorry for. He and I would go back and forth, usually in a semi-friendly way, and I spent most of my time trying to get him to at least understand the scientific basis behind evolution. Finally, one day he posted to me something like, "You could give me a fossil, I could hold it in my hands and study it, and see that has all the characteristics of a transitional. But if the word of God tells me it can't exist, then I could only conclude that there is something wrong with my eyes. Likely, Satan has somehow managed to fool me." That struck me so hard that the only thing I could post back to him was "I'm so sorry". It sticks with me to this day. It saddens me that someone could be so brainwashed (and that is the proper term) that they could deny the existence of something they're holding in their hands.
 
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Nepenthe

Tu Stultus Es
Jose Fly said:
The third was a guy who I really, truly felt sorry for. He and I would go back and forth, usually in a semi-friendly way, and I spent most of my time trying to get him to at least understand the scientific basis behind evolution. Finally, one day he posted to me something like, "You could give me a fossil, I could hold it in my hands and study it, and see that has all the characteristics of a transitional. But if the word of God tells me it can't exist, then I could only conclude that there is something wrong with my eyes. Likely, Satan has somehow managed to fool me." That struck me so hard that the only thing I could post back to him was "I'm so sorry". It sticks with me to this day. It saddens me that someone could be so brainwashed (and that is the proper term) that they could deny the existence of something they're holding in their hands.
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#3 reflects my experience in debating creationists online over the last 3+ years. I made the analogy in another post that the obstinance of creationists is similar to that of the Trobriand Islanders- I think they're both well aware that they're simply wrong, yet their dogma, morals, and concepts of self worth is so intimately tied to a dogmatic interpretation of their faith they'll insist pi is 5.14 if their morality or religion were incumbent on it. Science tends to be grudgingly respected but if it steps on the toes of their dogmatic preconceptions then their dogma wins over everything else.
 
J

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Nepenthe said:
#3 reflects my experience in debating creationists online over the last 3+ years. I made the analogy in another post that the obstinance of creationists is similar to that of the Trobriand Islanders- I think they're both well aware that they're simply wrong, yet their dogma, morals, and concepts of self worth is so intimately tied to a dogmatic interpretation of their faith they'll insist pi is 5.14 if their morality or religion were incumbent on it. Science tends to be grudgingly respected but if it steps on the toes of their dogmatic preconceptions then their dogma wins over everything else.
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That's what's called ignor-ance and yes I've know people exactly like that. If you built a time machine and took them back with you to experience evolution first hand with their own eyes, they would claim it was the devil deceiving them! :facepalm:
 
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