The things that Theist and Atheist have in common.

[worshiper]

Hey guys ...
these past few days, since i joined this forum ....
i had the opportunity to meet (well .. read) a lot of people. i happened to bump into religions, or belief which i never even heard of. all can be summed up into 2 groups. the Theists and the Atheist.

Now during comments, arguments and conversation with some of you guys ... i couldn't help but having thots that the Atheists (well some of them anyway) think that the problem with this world is .... religion. and they blame the Theists has created a separation by claiming the Atheists as bound for hell.

on the other hand, the Atheists claim that god makes people kill each other which i'm sure is not true. and by that (in a word) also creating separation.

so here we are 2 groups of people accusing one another and blaming at each other.
when in fact the main goal of every human being in this planet is live in peace and harmony.

it kinda got me thinking that these people have something in common. they blame and accuse each other. a theist calling an atheist as seed of satan and bound for eternity in hell is no better than an atheist calling a theist as crazy and delusional and the source of all the problems in this world.

i just wish we can all get along and agree to disagree. blaming others will not solve our problems.

 

[Booko]

it kinda got me thinking that these people have something in common. they blame and accuse each other. a theist calling an atheist as seed of satan and bound for eternity in hell is no better than an atheist calling a theist as crazy and delusional and the source of all the problems in this world.

i just wish we can all get along and agree to disagree. blaming others will not solve our problems.

Well, you're speaking of the extremes here, Worshiper. Honestly, it may be that most theists here (and elsewhere) don't even believe of Satan or eternal hell. (time for a poll!) And there are atheists who are atheists just because they see no reason to believe in supernatural beings.

I'm more than happy to agree to disagree. But then, I"ve been atheists and theist, so maybe I'm just weird that way.

 

[doppelganger]

Better than agreeing to disagree would be a willingness to set aside certainty and listen to one another and ask questions (and listen carefully to the answers). We might find there aren't as many differences (even between "atheists" and "theists") as we might think.

 

[Darkness]

I assent worshiper. I do not hate theists or think they are insane. I hope I haven't come across this way. What I do hate is when a religious or irreligious person forcefully places their beliefs on me. There are a number of people on this forum who, because of religion, want to stop homosexual marriage. Their religion tells them homosexuality is an abomination and that they should not allow gays and lesbians to sully their sacred union. But what right do they have to force this mystic command upon an entire society? It definately is not based upon a logical basis. And what makes their beliefs more valid than a homosexual saying God wants heterosexual marriage to be banned?

What we need is a society of freedom. A place where everyone's personal decisions are respected. "An it harm none, do what ye will." If a girl is in love with another girl, what harm is that causing you? Does it stop you from having a heterosexual relationship? And my fellow Atheists, what harm is there in a man saying a prayer to Brahman or Jesus? If religious people follow the ideals of tolerance, why can't you do the same?

 

[doppelganger]

Here's a starting point perhaps. Check out the answers to my question to "Atheists" and "Naturalists" about what "Nature" represents: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53673

 

[fantome profane]

With apologies to Shakespeare:

I am an atheist. Hath not an atheist eyes? hath not an atheist hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

 

[worshiper]

Booko
Well, you're speaking of the extremes here, Worshiper. Honestly, it may be that most theists here (and elsewhere) don't even believe of Satan or eternal hell. (time for a poll!) And there are atheists who are atheists just because they see no reason to believe in supernatural beings.

I'm more than happy to agree to disagree. But then, I"ve been atheists and theist, so maybe I'm just weird that way.

sounds like a poll to me

Darkness
What I do hate is when a religious or irreligious person forcefully places their beliefs on me.

this is what i was talking about.

Darkness
But what right do they have to force this mystic command upon an entire society? It definately is not based upon a logical basis. And what makes their beliefs more valid than a homosexual saying God wants heterosexual marriage to be banned?

and vice versa

Darkness
What we need is a society of freedom. A place where everyone's personal decisions are respected. "An it harm none, do what ye will." If a girl is in love with another girl, what harm is that causing you? Does it stop you from having a heterosexual relationship? And my fellow Atheists, what harm is there in a man saying a prayer to Brahman or Jesus? If religious people follow the ideals of tolerance, why can't you do the same?

Amen to that!

fantôme profane
With apologies to Shakespeare:

I am an atheist. Hath not an atheist eyes? hath not an atheist hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

exactly ... we are all the same

 

[Jeremiah]

It has nothing to do with faith or lack of.

If the whole subject was taken out of the picture, people would just find something else to fight about.

 

[Willamena]

it kinda got me thinking that these people have something in common. they blame and accuse each other. a theist calling an atheist as seed of satan and bound for eternity in hell is no better than an atheist calling a theist as crazy and delusional and the source of all the problems in this world.

Those aren't the atheist and theists I know. The thiests I know are the ones who attribute characteristics to an aspect or image of God. The atheists are the ones who hold that same aspect or image to be an aspect or image of God. They actually have a lot in common, and some are both theist and atheist at the same time.

But perhaps you just hang out in other threads than I do.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Atheists and theists both suffer from the Curse of Greyface.

 

[UnTheist]

I never accused Theism as the source of all problems in the world. I can blame Humans for that. (including myself?)

I just want them to leave me and everyone else alone that doesn't agree with their belief, or doesn't believe altogether. I don't like it when fundies shove their crap down my throat.

 

[Ðanisty]

Well, you're speaking of the extremes here, Worshiper. Honestly, it may be that most theists here (and elsewhere) don't even believe of Satan or eternal hell. (time for a poll!) And there are atheists who are atheists just because they see no reason to believe in supernatural beings.

I'm more than happy to agree to disagree. But then, I"ve been atheists and theist, so maybe I'm just weird that way.

I'm with you Booko, but then again, I've been an atheist and a theist also...lol.

 

[Darkness]

Amen to that!

Can I get a hallelujah?

 

[worshiper]

I never accused Theism as the source of all problems in the world. I can blame Humans for that. (including myself?)

I just want them to leave me and everyone else alone that doesn't agree with their belief, or doesn't believe altogether. I don't like it when fundies shove their crap down my throat.

its the same with us theists. i personally dont like people of my kind (theist) labeling the atheists as doomed for eternity. it is not in our position to say such thing. same goes with the atheists towards theists. i guess Booko was right that the people i am talking about are the extremists. extremism in any form is bad. my belief teaches me to practice life in moderation.

 

[rojse]

I wonder what we would all fight about when there was no religion to argue about?

 

[UnTheist]

I wonder what we would all fight about when there was no religion to argue about?

Money, power, politics, mates, territory.