Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Well I try not to make presumptions about groups of people, and give even YECs the respect to assume they're capable of thinking and learning until, unfortunately all too often, finding otherwise.
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The ToE and common ancestry of all life forms did not come from looking at the evidence
- Thread starter Man of Faith
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Well I try not to make presumptions about groups of people, and give even YECs the respect to assume they're capable of thinking and learning until, unfortunately all too often, finding otherwise.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
"I worry about the potential consequences of a general public that is scientifically illiterate."
I contend there is that AND a great deal more.
Go to those websites - not just to get a laugh at what they post as science - but to see what they mean by "bible believing society" "faith based culture" and "bringing America back to Christ."
This ToE argument and Ham's millions of years are just current hot button topics. They have much more planned and hoped for.
And it does not allow for a bunch of devil inspired non-believers running around loose spreading their message of immorality and glorifying sin.
I contend there is that AND a great deal more.
Go to those websites - not just to get a laugh at what they post as science - but to see what they mean by "bible believing society" "faith based culture" and "bringing America back to Christ."
This ToE argument and Ham's millions of years are just current hot button topics. They have much more planned and hoped for.
And it does not allow for a bunch of devil inspired non-believers running around loose spreading their message of immorality and glorifying sin.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Well, it's true, the really scary armed right-wing "Christian" Dominionist types also are usually strongly YEC as well. They want to retreat to the Dark Ages in all areas: religion, science (or lack thereof), burning heretics, probably a serf-system, I wouldn't be surprised.
They're anti-American, anti-progress, anti-science, and they have guns.
They're anti-American, anti-progress, anti-science, and they have guns.
Alceste
Vagabond
Well, looking at the "Canada" branch, if a guy with a "diploma in electronics", two "pastors" and a guy who got his PhD in Romania and has never worked as a geologist in this country are the best they've got, I've got nothing to worry about.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
What are you talking about....??? :slap:
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I'm trying to decide if I should put positive evidence in the same post for a young earth, or just destroy radiometric dating. They are both good posts, IMO. I need to do some more research on my positive evidence a little bit and then make that decision.
I'm not just shot gunning this stuff, I'm throughly researching with my scientific sources. About the objection that there are other ways to check the earth age, those can be destroyed also with this same post i believe, just adjust it a little for subject matter. This next post might destroy all earth age checking ways with one swoop.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Think MoF, think. Let's say that you destroy all of modern physics with your next brilliant post. Why would tree rings, varves, ice cores, stalagtites and coral rings all be wrong in the same way, to the same degree? What mysterious force could cause them all to come up with the same erroneous result? Do you see why this is a problem for you? If they're all wrong, then why don't they come up with wildly different dates?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
What's that term for people who are too ignorant to even know they're bad at something? Some kind of effect?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Found it. Dunning-Kruger effect.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Please don't bother with evidence for a young earth, you will not win anybody over with it. If YEC is true, please tell me why buildings stand up. They can't, in 40,000 years about 3cm of soil will develop. In your country, on average, soil is about 2.5m to 4.75m until you hit Quarternary Estuarine deposits near the coast in the form of metamorphic sandstone/siltstone/greywacke or in your case, just about anything.
Now, given the soil compaction in a natural environment is based on the dead weight of soil above this, how would you expect to find compacted soil to build a house on when you only have 40,000 years for the soil compaction yeilding settlement of around 2 or 3cm? The soil around the world would be so painfully loose that houses would be so much more expensive than they currently are because they require compaction efforts and labratory testing to determine suitability.
Volcanic activity is pretty common on the east coast of the USA these days. Evidence of this is found by the huge presence of Metamorphic rocks as bedrock. Where i live we find metasandstone (metamorphic sandstone) about 1m down because the peninsula i live on was formed by a volcano which is now dormant est. 50million years ago. Now, how would we find these rocks if the earth was less than 1,000,000 years old? By these rocks i mean metamorphic settlement and bassalt from the volcanic activity period about 57 million years ago?
SO basically what i am saying is that soil does not settle enough to build houses on if the earth is as young as you say it is and that if you want to ignore the fact that bassalt somehow managed to magically appear on the surface of the earth. To be a YEC there is too much to ignore.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
The suspense builds....Last Thursdayism?
MoF, you've once again ignored the questions I've asked, you. Manners, manners.
MoF, you've once again ignored the questions I've asked, you. Manners, manners.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I can't keep up with all the questions, I have a scientific mind and need to stay focused.
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Alceste
Vagabond
Dunning - Kruger effect AKA Illusory superiority. By far the most useful informative psychology factoid I've encountered in my whole time at RF. Bertrand Russell even proposed this would be the case before these studies were done and the results were in: "the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt". Another success for the scientific method!
Alceste
Vagabond
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Dunning - Kruger effect AKA Illusory superiority. By far the most useful informative psychology factoid I've encountered in my whole time at RF. Bertrand Russell even proposed this would be the case before these studies were done and the results were in: "the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt". Another success for the scientific method!
Well people seem to be pretty sure of the ToE.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Alceste
Vagabond
Yes, it's true. Everyone in the whole world except for the members of your cult is incompetent, and doesn't know it. You might find this amusing:
