The Tree of Life

[URAVIP2ME]

Well this is putting together some things that don't seem to be related.
Isaiah 25 seems to have G-d causing death to end, not the eating of a fruit.
Isaiah 33, seems to equate the end of sickness with the lack of sin, not the eating of a fruit.
Ezekiel 47 says the leaves will cause healing, not the fruit. Nor does it relate these trees to a tree that causes eternal life at all.
But more important than all of that is: Why are you telling me this? I'm not the OP. I don't care how you interpret the tree of life. The OP asked, not me. Tell him.

Thank you for your reply. I was just curious how you interpret the purpose for the tree of life in connection to Isaiah and Ezekiel's words.
Yes, God will cause death to end on Earth - Isaiah 25:8
Yes, No sickness does equate to the end of sin and death on Earth - Isaiah 33:24
Yes, 'leaves for healing' (as in medicinal) are mentioned for earth's nations at Ezekiel 47:12 (along with Revelation 22:2),
and those trees produce food/fruit that will Not cause death as the fruit from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and bad did.
The bad/evil of Genesis 2:17 was that mankind would experience death until the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 would be fulfilled.

 

[Tumah]

Thank you for your reply. I was just curious how you interpret the purpose for the tree of life in connection to Isaiah and Ezekiel's words.
Yes, God will cause death to end on Earth - Isaiah 25:8
Yes, No sickness does equate to the end of sin and death on Earth - Isaiah 33:24
Yes, 'leaves for healing' (as in medicinal) are mentioned for earth's nations at Ezekiel 47:12 (along with Revelation 22:2),
and those trees produce food/fruit that will Not cause death as the fruit from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and bad did.
The bad/evil of Genesis 2:17 was that mankind would experience death until the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 would be fulfilled.

I make no change. None of those are referring to the tree of life.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I make no change. None of those are referring to the tree of life.

I do realize that Revelation 22:2 ' tree of life ' is Not part of the old Hebrew Scriptures, but it does harmonize with Ezekiel 47:12 because they both connect healing with trees, and good-to-eat fruit on it. To me, the Genesis 'tree of life' stood for eternal or everlasting life on Earth.
I believe God has Not abandoned his purpose to see Ezekiel 47:12 fulfilled for earth's nations.

 

[Tumah]

I do realize that Revelation 22:2 ' tree of life ' is Not part of the old Hebrew Scriptures, but it does harmonize with Ezekiel 47:12 because they both connect healing with trees, and good-to-eat fruit on it. To me, the Genesis 'tree of life' stood for eternal or everlasting life on Earth.
I believe God has Not abandoned his purpose to see Ezekiel 47:12 fulfilled for earth's nations.

They are not both connected with healing. One is connected with healing and one is connected with life.
Ezekiel 47:12 is not a prophecy for the nations, its a prophecy for Jews.
They're all prophecies for Jews. That's why we held onto them.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

They are not both connected with healing. One is connected with healing and one is connected with life.
Ezekiel 47:12 is not a prophecy for the nations, its a prophecy for Jews.
They're all prophecies for Jews. That's why we held onto them.

Thank you for your reply. Yes, there are differences to be noted, and I find of interest comparing Ezekiel's temple vision with the Revelation vision of the holy city Jerusalem (Revelation 21:10) with noted differences that Ezekiel's temple is separate and to the north of the city, while God himself is the temple of the city of Revelation.
In both cases there is the flowing river of life, there are trees bearing monthly fruits for healing, along with having God's glory there.
Both visions contribute toward having appreciation for God's Sovereign kingship, and provision for being saved for those who give Him service.
- Ezekiel 43:4-5; Revelation 21:22; Ezekiel 47:1; Ezekiel 47:8-9; Ezekiel 47:12. - Revelation 22:1-3

Ezekiel's visionary river's water depicts provision for life, and that knowledge of God is found in Holy Scripture - Jeremiah 2:13
That river progressively deepens to accommodate 'added on' new ones who also take up the worship of God - Isaiah 60:22
The ' added on ' people to me are the taking in of the people of the nations, thus including more than just fleshly natural Jews.

 

[Tumah]

Thank you for your reply. Yes, there are differences to be noted, and I find of interest comparing Ezekiel's temple vision with the Revelation vision of the holy city Jerusalem (Revelation 21:10) with noted differences that Ezekiel's temple is separate and to the north of the city, while God himself is the temple of the city of Revelation.
In both cases there is the flowing river of life, there are trees bearing monthly fruits for healing, along with having God's glory there.
Both visions contribute toward having appreciation for God's Sovereign kingship, and provision for being saved for those who give Him service.
- Ezekiel 43:4-5; Revelation 21:22; Ezekiel 47:1; Ezekiel 47:8-9; Ezekiel 47:12. - Revelation 22:1-3

Ezekiel's visionary river's water depicts provision for life, and that knowledge of God is found in Holy Scripture - Jeremiah 2:13
That river progressively deepens to accommodate 'added on' new ones who also take up the worship of God - Isaiah 60:22
The ' added on ' people to me are the taking in of the people of the nations, thus including more than just fleshly natural Jews.

I can't for the life of me understand why you think it would interest me to hear your go on about NT interpretations of the Tanach.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I can't for the life of me understand why you think it would interest me to hear your go on about NT interpretations of the Tanach.

To me, because those prophecies found in the Old Hebrew Scriptures are being fulfilled as recorded in the NT.
Mankind will see the fulfillment of Isaiah 35; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24, etc. on a grand-global international scale.
Good health and happiness is coming to Earth. Not by man's hands but by God's.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wow! So, Tumah, if etz chaim (the Tree of Life) in Judaism is The Torah, then what about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ... ?

Wikipedia?

 

[metis]

To me, because those prophecies found in the Old Hebrew Scriptures are being fulfilled as recorded in the NT.
Mankind will see the fulfillment of Isaiah 35; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24, etc. on a grand-global international scale.
Good health and happiness is coming to Earth. Not by man's hands but by God's.

Isaiah had nothing to do with Jesus as even some half-way decent Christian commentaries will tell ya. If one wants to draw parallels between what's written in Isaiah and with Jesus, that can be considered "kosher" depending on how these parallels are portrayed.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What about for Christians?

There is a mention of the tree of life at the end of the book Revelation, where John describes the beginning and the end goal of the name Jesus Christ and of the church. John waxes figurative and describes an enormous city in which there is nothing bad ever. It comes down out of the sky! There's no need of a sun, because the 'Lord God' will be light for its inhabitants and then John writes "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14) Apparently all people have to do is wash their robes, unless John means this figuratively. Since he means it figuratively it remains to consider what he means. I think many would consider this to be an allusion to Jesus parable about a wedding: Many strangers are invited to a wedding, but one is turned away for not wearing wedding garments and is turned out. (Matthew 22:13) There are other allusions and possible allusions to what John says, many trails. I think the concept is conversion and transformation. You convert and are transformed, and that is figuratively what John calls washing your robes and gives you a 'Right' to the tree of life in his magical city.

 

[Tumah]

To me, because those prophecies found in the Old Hebrew Scriptures are being fulfilled as recorded in the NT.
Mankind will see the fulfillment of Isaiah 35; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24, etc. on a grand-global international scale.
Good health and happiness is coming to Earth. Not by man's hands but by God's.

Allow me to correct your mistake:
I'm not interested in anything related to the NT. Thanks.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is a mention of the tree of life at the end of the book Revelation, where John describes the beginning and the end goal of the name Jesus Christ and of the church. John waxes figurative and describes an enormous city in which there is nothing bad ever. It comes down out of the sky! There's no need of a sun, because the 'Lord God' will be light for its inhabitants and then John writes "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14) Apparently all people have to do is wash their robes, unless John means this figuratively. Since he means it figuratively it remains to consider what he means. I think many would consider this to be an allusion to Jesus parable about a wedding: Many strangers are invited to a wedding, but one is turned away for not wearing wedding garments and is turned out. (Matthew 22:13) There are other allusions and possible allusions to what John says, many trails. I think the concept is conversion and transformation. You convert and are transformed, and that is figuratively what John calls washing your robes and gives you a 'Right' to the tree of life in his magical city.

Revelation ( which is written in symbolic very-vivid word pictures for us ) is Not about a magical city.
That Genesis ' tree of life ' will appear on Earth again during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
God made a promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth, and ALL nations of Earth, will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham, and the people of Earth will be blessed with healing - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24; Isaiah 25:8
The great crowd of people who come though the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14 - are the humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
' washing their robes ' is symbolic of putting faith in Jesus by applying what Jesus taught.

 

[savagewind]

The great crowd of people who come though the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14 - are the humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
' washing their robes ' is symbolic of putting faith in Jesus by applying what Jesus taught.

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses teach that
Revelation 7:14 means through, that it is a prophesy of the end of this system of things and the beginning of the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ, but the word is "out of" (compare Revelation 18:4).

Isn't it a vision of the people who have been no part of the world as Abraham was no part of the world ? How do you know it is a prophesy only about people of the end times?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Revelation ( which is written in symbolic very-vivid word pictures for us ) is Not about a magical city.
That Genesis ' tree of life ' will appear on Earth again during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
God made a promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth, and ALL nations of Earth, will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham, and the people of Earth will be blessed with healing - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24; Isaiah 25:8
The great crowd of people who come though the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14 - are the humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
' washing their robes ' is symbolic of putting faith in Jesus by applying what Jesus taught.

My emphasis is that the tree is mentioned in Revelation. I will probably never believe your unusual take on Revelation. Here's why: You are trying to Revelation as evidence of miraculous fortune telling, and it isn't intended to be that. Its as if you have taken ordinary dice and tried to predict the future with them. That isn't what they do. Its not meant to show Jesus is real or that God is real or to prop up doctrines. I guess I have become sensitive to this as I've seen various Christian denominations found their various creeds in interpretations of this book, and that isn't what its for.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

My emphasis is that the tree is mentioned in Revelation. I will probably never believe your unusual take on Revelation. Here's why: You are trying to Revelation as evidence of miraculous fortune telling, and it isn't intended to be that. Its as if you have taken ordinary dice and tried to predict the future with them. That isn't what they do. Its not meant to show Jesus is real or that God is real or to prop up doctrines. I guess I have become sensitive to this as I've seen various Christian denominations found their various creeds in interpretations of this book, and that isn't what its for.

Is it various Christian denominations or their false shepherd's teachings as forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 ?
I am merely posting what the Bible really teaches. Really teaches about earth's glorious-and-happy future for mankind.

How do you know Revelation ( revelation as in revealing of a happy future ) is Not about the future ?
Fortune telling, or prophecy ?
True, we do Not see fortune tellers willing the lotteries, but how does that mean what Jesus foretold will Not come to pass - Matthew 5:5
In Scripture, to me, didn't the now lost 'tree of life' exist in biblical Eden ?
Doesn't Revelation paint a vivid-word picture of the return of the Genesis 'tree of life' for mankind as described at Revelation 22:2 ?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Is it various Christian denominations or their false shepherd's teachings as forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 ?
I am merely posting what the Bible really teaches. Really teaches about earth's glorious-and-happy future for mankind.

I recognize that you think so and allow you to think so.

Paul says here the Jews have the oracles of God, not anyone else: "What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God." To me this is quite important and weaves together with many like passages. Paul doesn't say that Jews are required to tell us what the Bible really says, just that they are entrusted with the words of God. The implication to me is that nobody can tell me what the Bible really teaches except Jews, and I don't see any requirement for them to tell me, either. I can't order them about. After all, its been entrusted to them. If they were required to then they'd waste no time doing it. This is how I see things. Paul says that we see only partially. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part...For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." (1 Cor 13:9...12) Whenever we talk about the Bible we should always assume there is error in our statements. I feel that James refers to anything else as boasting. I personally see it as a failure to confess being a sinner, and how can I be under grace without confessing my sinful nature? I feel this is central to Jesus message.

How do you know Revelation ( revelation as in revealing of a happy future ) is Not about the future ?
Fortune telling, or prophecy ?
True, we do Not see fortune tellers willing the lotteries, but how does that mean what Jesus foretold will Not come to pass - Matthew 5:5
In Scripture, to me, didn't the now lost 'tree of life' exist in biblical Eden ?
Doesn't Revelation paint a vivid-word picture of the return of the Genesis 'tree of life' for mankind as described at Revelation 22:2 ?

I don't presume to know that Jesus is foretelling the future, because I don't presume that the gospel of Matthew is literal, and I have looked for signs that it is and found none that could satisfy me. Every thing called a fulfillment in Matthew is an allusion to a passage in the Tanach that does not predict anything. I have looked each one up personally and checked it. Nothing in Matthew can be taken literally, so by insisting that it is literal I would actually fight against the faith of Jesus. I would I think be telling others to stop following the tabernacle and to stay back in a camp with me where I think best. This is just my opinion and not really an absolute statement about all other creeds. By telling others specific creeds, specific must-have doctrines I would be raising myself up as a brazen serpent. People might benefit, but I would eventually become a problem and overall a detriment.

I think its not about the future but about being a Christian. Its about patience. Its focused on the number seven, which per the story of Joshua and Jericho is a number representing patience until something is complete. (Remember that Joshua and Israel didn't know they would have to march seven times around Jericho. They marched until they were told to stop. Seven refers to this same patience and strength of character to continue without seeing the end.) Also Revelation refers to John's conception of the Christian creation and in chapter one it refers to seven spirits before the throne -- which I think are like the seven words that create everything. The entire books is telling us to keep going, keep moving, keep circling. John says Revelation is about things that must shortly come to pass, and then he lists the problems with seven churches plus seven judgments against those churches, but he wants to encourage them not to quit. Note that all of the judgments are the same, merely described in different ways. They are like seven layers of a single cake. Then he proceeds to describe seven seals, seven bowls, seven thunders by means of visions or of one long visions with many seven part interludes. All of these are seven not by accident but to emphasize patience. Even though we can't see the end results of our efforts we should continue trying.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, John says in Revelation about things that must shortly come to pass.
But, when would that ' short ' time ( relatively speaking ) begin but in the time period referred to as the "Lord's Day ' - Revelation 1:10
So, to me, we are Not counting time from the first century, but from the time of Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21.- Psalms 37:10-11
The minor fulfillment came in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed apostate Jerusalem - Luke 21:20-21; Luke 19:43-44
The MAJOR fulfillment is for our day or time frame of Matthew 24:14, Acts 1:8 when the good news of God's kingdom government would be proclaimed on a vast international scale just as it if being done today before the end comes of all badness on Earth.