The trinity , easy explanation?

[Starlight]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

 

[dybmh]

Too simple. The trinity is a great mystery.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

The doctrine of the trinity emphasises a relationship of Oneness and interconnected between The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. I don't see your image of an apples adds to our understanding but if it works for you, that's great.

 

[1213]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

I think the problem with that is, the peel is not the apple, the flesh is not the apple and the core is not the apple. Maybe you could cut God in tree parts, but the parts are not on itself the God.

I like more of what the Bible teaches:

Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

I don't think we are supposed to explain the trinity online. (Not that I haven't attempted to. I have.) The NT letters from Paul say that Christ is a mystery that has been hidden until his time, so that is an example of what a 'Mystery' is in Christian circles. If the Trinity is also a mystery yet is something which is required to be spoken in service then there is a requirement to accept something you don't understand, unless you have the Gift of Understanding Mysteries. The understanding of mysteries is called one of the spiritual gifts. That it is a gift implies: most people at least in the beginning are not meant to understand the Trinity until they have already been at communion for some time.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

That sounds more like modalism than trinitarianism to me.

 

[metis]

The concept of "Trinity" uses "essence". devised by Aristotle and Plato, thus Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God.

Essence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[viole]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

The problem with the trinity is that this complementarity is not reflected in Scriptures. When the Son admits that only the Father knows when He will return, what does it mean? It really looks like there is a hierarchy. The Father is the Boss. The Son is second in command. And the Holy Spirit is, well, nobody knows, really. it looks like the invention of someone into the number three, really.

and when the Father waterboarded to death the entire human population, and virtually all animals, was the meek and merciful Son around? Did He say anything about the fact that global extermination by drowning was probably too extreme, and not morally justifiable by just a hissy fit from one of the other two thirds of Him?

ciao

- viole

 

[Starlight]

That sounds more like modalism than trinitarianism to me.

You are wrong. What i described is trinitarianism.

In the trinitarian doctrine God is eternally three different persons who share one Being. And have one divine will and action. The three persons in God can communicate with each other and is loving each other but at the same time they share the same Being.

Modalism is that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity under which God manifests himself. In modalism the different modes is not eternal. In modalism God is just one person who temporally manifest himself in three different modes or forms of activity (The Father, Son, Holy spirit).

 

[Starlight]

The problem with the trinity is that this complementarity is not reflected in Scriptures. When the Son admits that only the Father knows when He will return, what does it mean? It really looks like there is a hierarchy. The Father is the Boss. The Son is second in command. And the Holy Spirit is, well, nobody knows, really. it looks like the invention of someone into the number three, really.

and when the Father waterboarded to death the entire human population, and virtually all animals, was the meek and merciful Son around? Did He say anything about the fact that global extermination by drowning was probably too extreme, and not morally justifiable by just a hissy fit from one of the other two thirds of Him?

ciao

- viole

Many Christians believe that the verses about when the Son admits that only the Father knows when He will return were said by Jesus when he was human. So it was said from the human part of Jesus. not his divine part

 

[viole]

Many Christians believe that the verses about when the Son admits that only the Father knows when He will return were said by Jesus when he was human. So it was said from the human side of Jesus. not his divine part

What? His divine part knew, but his human didn’t?
so, whatever he said as human on earth, was not reliable, right?

ciao

- viole

 

[Starlight]

What? His divine part knew, but his human didn’t?
so, whatever he said as human on earth, was not reliable, right?

ciao

- viole

according to christians his human part did not know

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You are wrong. What i described is trinitarianism.

In the trinitarian doctrine God is eternally three different persons who share one Being. And have one divine will and action. The three persons in God can communicate with each other and is loving each other but at the same time they share the same Being.

Do you think that the peel of the apple "shares the same being" as the core of the apple, or do you think that each is an incomplete part of a whole apple?

Modalism is that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity under which God manifests himself.

Right: each mode is only an aspect of God, in the same sense that each part of an apple is only an aspect of an apple.

In modalism the different modes is not eternal. In modalism God is just one person who temporally manifest himself in three different modes or forms of activity (The Father, Son, Holy spirit).

And you think the parts of an apple have permanence?

 

[Starlight]

Do you think that the peel of the apple "shares the same being" as the core of the apple, or do you think that each is an incomplete part of a whole apple?


Right: each mode is only an aspect of God, in the same sense that each part of an apple is only an aspect of an apple.



And you think the parts of an apple have permanence?

I think each is an incomplete part, but togheter they are the whole apple

The same is true with the trinity. Togheter the Father, son and holy spirit is one whole God. They can not exist apart from each other. The father is one part, the son is one part and the holy spirit is one part, and togheter they are the one whole God

I do not believe in the trinity by the way, but i believe the apple is a good explanation of the trinity

 

[viole]

according to christians his human part did not know

So, He had two minds totally separated. A physical and a spiritual one. Right?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Starlight]

So, He had two minds totally separated. A physical and a spiritual one. Right?

Ciao

- viole

According to christians he has two natures at the same time, but they are not separated, they are united. the mystery of the incarnation and affirming Jesus' two natures, said that His two natures are perfectly united in such a way that they are not confused or mixed, divided or separated

 

[muhammad_isa]

According to christians he has two natures at the same time, but they are not separated, they are united. the mystery of the incarnation and affirming Jesus' two natures, said that His two natures are perfectly united in such a way that they are not confused or mixed, divided or separated

That doesn't look much like an "easy explanation" to me.
Of course, people who want Jesus to be G-d, will always find some way of explaining it.

 

[Starlight]

That doesn't look much like an "easy explanation" to me.
Of course, people who want Jesus to be G-d, will always find some way of explaining it.

I agree that the tinity doctrine is not easy to understand

Thats one reason why I do not believe in the trinity

 

[metis]

I agree that the tinity doctrine is not easy to understand

My experience is that it's usually because the association was and is based on the use of "essence" that would be well understood by those living almost 2000 years ago in the Mediterranean area but may seem alien to those of us in the modern west.

 

[Jimmy]

Yes the trinity doctrine creates confusion.

I do not believe in the trinity. But to be fair some christians have made the trinity easy to understand

The trinity is: God is like an apple.
The apple has three parts. Peel. Flesh. Core. And at the same time the three parts is one apple.

God has three parts. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. And at the same time the three persons is one God.

Simple? or not? What do you think about this explanation?

I prefer God is god, Jesus is his son (god manifest into flesh) and spirit is their relationship with each other.