The Trinity, Godhead, and Jesus Christ

[Thorwald Johansen]

The Christian ministry does not seem to understand this topic very well. The ministry has taken scripture and added 'vanity' to it, to come up with "God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Ghost."

Isaiah 44:6 explicitly states that GOD is made up of two figures...The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts]. Therefore, I assume that these two figures must equal, "The Godhead".

John 5:37 states that there is a FATHER who has NEVER been seen by ANY man, nor has His voice EVER been heard by ANY man. The scriptures tell us that The Holy Ghost proceeds from THE FATHER.

The sum of the figures (above), is FOUR, not THREE. Even Revelation 1:6 can be interpreted as saying, that God (The Lord God Almighty) has a FATHER. If this is true, then the Christian ministry has thrown The Lord God Almighty off of His throne in Revelation chapter 4 [using Revelation 4:2...'in the spirit' as their reasoning], and replaced Him with His FATHER. This breaks the commandment, "Thou shall have no Gods before me."

 

[jeager106]

Wow. That was profound and insightful.

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

Wow. That was profound and insightful.

I am anointed. ALL FOUR FIGURES visited me in my accounting office in the spring of 2003. I was not allowed to see THE FATHER or THE HOLY GHOST (They were at the far end of a channel going upwards from me, through pure white clouds, that filled my room, to it seemed forever. They CONTROLLED the vision. Jesus Christ appeared standing in the clouds on the right hand of The Lord God Almighty, to the right of the channel). They are identical in appearance, and they are 'clean-shaven'. Remember, beards continue to grow. At what point would Christ be in the 'express image' of Himself as Lord of Hosts, and The Lord God Almighty? Stephen also saw Jesus standing on the right hand of The Lord God Almighty, in Acts 7:55-56.

 

[te_lanus]

Isaiah 44:6 explicitly states that GOD is made up of two figures...The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts]. Therefore, I assume that these two figures must equal, "The Godhead".

This is what the LORD, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but Me.

THere is no two figures. Only God that describing himself

6. Here follows an argument for Jehovah, as the only God, and against the idols, as vanity (see on [792]Isa 41:4; [793]Isa 43:1; [794]Isa 43:10-12).

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

THere is no two figures. Only God that describing himself

The Holy Ghost [The Spirit of Truth] does not recognize ANY 'bible' other than the authorized KJV Bible as it is today..

God states that He is NOT the master of confusion. There is only ONE Word of God. Why would He need 'MORE' bibles?

The Word of God came to us by way of God's anointed Kings/Priests/Prophets/Disciples/Apostles and Christ. In order to 'create' a 'new bible', a person must first be an Israelite (Israelites were anointed ABOVE all other people on the earth), and secondly, this person must be anointed by God to make any changes to God's Word. This person will know he/she is anointed, by experiencing Numbers 12:6 (seeing God in a vision, followed by a dream in riddles). God only spoke to Moses, 'in plain language'. All other prophets were spoken to in 'riddles', that had to be 'interpreted' by God, through prayer.

 

[Nada]

The Holy Ghost [The Spirit of Truth] does not recognize ANY 'bible' other than the authorized KJV Bible as it is today..

God states that He is NOT the master of confusion. There is only ONE Word of God. Why would He need 'MORE' bibles?

The Word of God came to us by way of God's anointed Kings/Priests/Prophets/Disciples/Apostles and Christ. In order to 'create' a 'new bible', a person must first be an Israelite (Israelites were anointed ABOVE all other people on the earth), and secondly, this person must be anointed by God to make any changes to God's Word. This person will know he/she is anointed, by experiencing Numbers 12:6 (seeing God in a vision, followed by a dream in riddles). God only spoke to Moses, 'in plain language'. All other prophets were spoken to in 'riddles', that had to be 'interpreted' by God, through prayer.

If the KJV bible is the only one recognized then you know God's name right? It says in Exodus 6:3 King James Bible And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

 

[Nada]

The Christian ministry does not seem to understand this topic very well. The ministry has taken scripture and added 'vanity' to it, to come up with "God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Ghost."

Isaiah 44:6 explicitly states that GOD is made up of two figures...The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts]. Therefore, I assume that these two figures must equal, "The Godhead".

John 5:37 states that there is a FATHER who has NEVER been seen by ANY man, nor has His voice EVER been heard by ANY man. The scriptures tell us that The Holy Ghost proceeds from THE FATHER.

The sum of the figures (above), is FOUR, not THREE. Even Revelation 1:6 can be interpreted as saying, that God (The Lord God Almighty) has a FATHER. If this is true, then the Christian ministry has thrown The Lord God Almighty off of His throne in Revelation chapter 4 [using Revelation 4:2...'in the spirit' as their reasoning], and replaced Him with His FATHER. This breaks the commandment, "Thou shall have no Gods before me."

Isaiah 44:6 is speaking of God..
This is what Jehovah says,

The King of Israel and his Repurchaser,Jehovah of armies:

‘I am the first and I am the last.

There is no God but me.

Here many get confused.READ THIS

7 Under the Mosaic Law, a repurchaser—normally a male next of kin—could buy a person out of bondage. (Leviticus 25:47-54; Ruth 2:20) Jehovah now identifies himself as Israel’s Repurchaser—the one who will redeem the nation, to the embarrassment of Babylon and all her gods. (Jeremiah 50:34) He confronts the false gods and their worshipers, saying: “This is what Jehovah has said,the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him,Jehovah of armies,‘I am the first and I am the last,and besides me there is no God.

Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

If the KJV bible is the only one recognized then you know God's name right? It says in Exodus 6:3 King James Bible And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

And your point is?????????????????

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

Isaiah 44:6 is speaking of God..
This is what Jehovah says,

The King of Israel and his Repurchaser,Jehovah of armies:

‘I am the first and I am the last.

There is no God but me.

Here many get confused.READ THIS

7 Under the Mosaic Law, a repurchaser—normally a male next of kin—could buy a person out of bondage. (Leviticus 25:47-54; Ruth 2:20) Jehovah now identifies himself as Israel’s Repurchaser—the one who will redeem the nation, to the embarrassment of Babylon and all her gods. (Jeremiah 50:34) He confronts the false gods and their worshipers, saying: “This is what Jehovah has said,the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him,Jehovah of armies,‘I am the first and I am the last,and besides me there is no God.

Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

AGAIN, and your point is?????????

 

[Nada]

AGAIN, and your point is?????????

Well in your OP you stated God and Jesus are equal.This is incorrect.God is the Almighty.Jesus Christ is His Son and first creation.God is eternal.Jesus was created.Jesus receives his power from God.Without Jehovah God the Almighty, nothing would be possible.There is a difference between them both.One serves the other.There is no equality in that.Jehovah God is the Almighty.

 

[Nada]

And your point is?????????????????

That Jehovah is God the Almighty.There is no Trinity.

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

Well in your OP you stated God and Jesus are equal.This is incorrect.God is the Almighty.Jesus Christ is His Son and first creation.God is eternal.Jesus was created.Jesus receives his power from God.Without Jehovah God the Almighty, nothing would be possible.There is a difference between them both.One serves the other.There is no equality in that.Jehovah God is the Almighty.

I did not say that The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts] are equal, nor do I believe this. Combined, they are part of The Godhead..."GOD". I did not author Isaiah 44:6, I just reference it.

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

That Jehovah is God the Almighty.There is no Trinity.

YES THERE IS A TRINITY [The 'invisible to man' FATHER (John 5:37), His Holy Spirit, and The Lord God Almighty].

 

[Nada]

I did not say that The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts] are equal, nor do I believe this. Combined, they are part of The Godhead..."GOD". I did not author Isaiah 44:6, I just reference it.

Yes I am aware you did not author the holy scriptures.

 

[Nada]

YES THERE IS A TRINITY [The 'invisible to man' FATHER (John 5:37), His Holy Spirit, and The Lord God Almighty].

No brother.There is no Trinity.The holy scriptures never mentions one.Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are in a spiritual union,not a literal one.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus is therefore not a ''man'' in this context, then; because He explicitly says that He is the way to know the father, and in fact, the only way for us to know the father. He also says that He is in the father, and the father in Him.

 

[Desert Snake]

The Christian ministry does not seem to understand this topic very well. The ministry has taken scripture and added 'vanity' to it, to come up with "God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Ghost."

Isaiah 44:6 explicitly states that GOD is made up of two figures...The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts]. Therefore, I assume that these two figures must equal, "The Godhead".

John 5:37 states that there is a FATHER who has NEVER been seen by ANY man, nor has His voice EVER been heard by ANY man. The scriptures tell us that The Holy Ghost proceeds from THE FATHER.

The sum of the figures (above), is FOUR, not THREE. Even Revelation 1:6 can be interpreted as saying, that God (The Lord God Almighty) has a FATHER. If this is true, then the Christian ministry has thrown The Lord God Almighty off of His throne in Revelation chapter 4 [using Revelation 4:2...'in the spirit' as their reasoning], and replaced Him with His FATHER. This breaks the commandment, "Thou shall have no Gods before me."

It would seem, then, that unless Jesus was lying, that He is therefore Deific; because He was not only the image of the father, the exact likeness, but also spoke with authority, /as from the father. So if John adhered to Jesus, He either thought Jesus was lying //don't think so, or he thought that Jesus was the manifestation of God. There isn't another option.

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

No brother.There is no Trinity.The holy scriptures never mentions one.Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are in a spiritual union,not a literal one.

The word 'trinity' is not used in the scriptures. However, there are three figures (call the sum of them using whatever 'name/word' you wish), PLUS Jesus as Lord of Hosts.

No knowledge is given to us in the scriptures as to how the 'invisible to man' Father, His Holy Spirit, or The Lord God Almighty [The Father's Son], were 'created', in the beginning. No one knows where they came from.

The Bible basically documents 'CREATION', after The Lord God Almighty created/begot His own Son, Jesus, in His own express image. He gave Jesus the 'position' of Lord of Hosts. Together, these two 'figures' created everything else. The Holy Spirit was also present during creation, in order to monitor creation, to insure that things created met the approval of the 'invisible to man' Father.

The scriptures use the words 'only begotten' to describe the creation of Jesus, in the beginning. The verb 'begit' is used in Genesis to describe male impregnation of females resulting in a new human being created/born. I therefore believe, that The Holy Ghost extracted 'sperm' from The Lord God Almighty, in order for the creation of Jesus, in the beginning. Since no woman was involved, Jesus is in the express image of The Lord God Almighty.

 

[te_lanus]

The Holy Ghost [The Spirit of Truth] does not recognize ANY 'bible' other than the authorized KJV Bible as it is today..

The KJV was written under guidance of a gay king, it even is named after the gay king. Also the KJV is based on greek text (see next point)

God states that He is NOT the master of confusion. There is only ONE Word of God. Why would He need 'MORE' bibles?

then the KJV must also be rejected as the "original" bible was written in hebrew/greek/aramaic. The KJV is also not "The BIble" it's just a translation, the only thing that makes it "authoritative" is the label that was attached to it by corrupt man. we don't have the "original bible anymore, just a copy of what the catholic church chose to support their statement of faith.

The Word of God came to us by way of God's anointed Kings/Priests/Prophets/Disciples/Apostles and Christ. In order to 'create' a 'new bible', a person must first be an Israelite (Israelites were anointed ABOVE all other people on the earth), and secondly, this person must be anointed by God to make any changes to God's Word. This person will know he/she is anointed, by experiencing Numbers 12:6 (seeing God in a vision, followed by a dream in riddles). God only spoke to Moses, 'in plain language'. All other prophets were spoken to in 'riddles', that had to be 'interpreted' by God, through prayer.

The translators of the KJV was't israelites thus according to your own theory the KJV should be rejected. Non of the translators of the KJV, that I've read, had visions from god. They only did what the church & the gay king wanted them to do

 

[029b10]

The Christian ministry does not seem to understand this topic very well. The ministry has taken scripture and added 'vanity' to it, to come up with "God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Ghost."

Actually, the Trinity is a doctrine made up by the Catholic to divide and conquer the Protestant resistance to the Church authority and influence of over Europe.
Once you bite that the Eternal One is three, then it is all just make believe after that.

Isaiah 44:6 explicitly states that GOD is made up of two figures...The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts]. Therefore, I assume that these two figures must equal, "The Godhead".

See....

John 5:37 states that there is a FATHER who has NEVER been seen by ANY man, nor has His voice EVER been heard by ANY man. The scriptures tell us that The Holy Ghost proceeds from THE FATHER.

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. John 6:46

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 5:25-26

Hebrews 3:7 "...as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,..."

The sum of the figures (above), is FOUR, not THREE. Even Revelation 1:6 can be interpreted as saying, that God (The Lord God Almighty) has a FATHER. If this is true, then the Christian ministry has thrown The Lord God Almighty off of His throne in Revelation chapter 4 [using Revelation 4:2...'in the spirit' as their reasoning], and replaced Him with His FATHER. This breaks the commandment, "Thou shall have no Gods before me."

Science can have its facts and theories, Religion can have its doctrines and theology, I am content with the Principles of Truth in which there is no variableness nor shadow of turning.