And by the way, I believe creation has always been and always will be a part of the Infinite Absolute. Don't mistake this universe as the beginning of this.
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The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....
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I don't think those are the same. I do not believe this universe is the beginning of The Infinite Absolute. But I go with science here, that says the physical universe seems to be having a beginning and is prone to having an end.
I am assuming you are calling God the "Infinite Absolute"?
I do not believe this is the only material manifestation. I agree this universe has a beginning and an end, but I see it as one of many, an infinite creation. Science considers the multiverse theory. It's like that, sort of.
I like this description in this story Joseph Campbell relays: Indra's Universes
The boy says, "Indras before you. I have seen them come and go, come and go. Just think, Vishnu sleeps in the cosmic ocean, and the lotus of the universe grows from his navel. On the lotus sits Brahma, the creator. Brahma opens his eyes, and a world comes into being, governed by an Indra. Brahma closes his eyes, and a world goes out of being. The life of a Brahma is 432,000 years. When he dies, the lotus goes back, and another lotus is formed, and another Brahma. Then think of the galaxies beyond galaxies in infinite space, each a lotus, with a Brahma sitting on it, opening his eyes, closing his eyes. And Indras? There may be wise men in your court who would volunteer to count the drops of water in the oceans or the grains of sand on the beaches, but no one would count those Brahmin, let alone those Indras.""
It's like this.
Or vise versa.
Trinities of gods include the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” according to the historian Will Durant. I do not agree that faithful Jews were in any doubt that "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." (Deuteronomy 6:4) Paul always spoke of Jesus as the Son of God, never God the Son.
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Jesus in me
I believe no Christian would ever claim that the Trinity is a trinity of Gods or that somehow God gets his ideas from men.
I think most professed Christians who believe in the trinity do so because they accept what their church teaches without examining what the Scriptures teach. I find many who profess to believe the trinity will agree that Jesus and God are not the same, and that Jesus is not equal to God.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....
Trinity never made any sense to Jesus and Mary, they never believed in it. It is a wrong concept with no mystery in it or no reality in it. Right?
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Trinity never made any sense to Jesus and Mary, they never believed in it. It is a wrong concept with no mystery in it or no reality in it. Right?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
of course it makes no sense, hence needs no explanation. It is meaningless out and out, no mystery in it.
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anonymous9887
bible reader
1. I don't believe in the false doctrine of the trinity.
2. The trinity means that there are 3 person that share the being of god.
3. All 3 persons are fully god and they are equal and eternal.
4. So Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH is basically 3 persons. So there is 3 persons in the being of god.
5. God is one being, gods being consists of 3 persons.
anonymous9887
bible reader
I studied the trinity with an open mind, but never found it in the bible.
The best modern day scholar that could explain it best in my opinion is Dr james white
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus never believed or worshiped Trinity, if Christians follow in his footsteps as they claim it, then they also should not believe in it. Why leave Jesus and get opinion of Dr james white ? Please.
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anonymous9887
bible reader
I think you are misunderstanding me. I was very open minded to hearing both sides of the argument. Maybe people could have seen something that I didn't. But yes believing in Jesus and being a Christian means following what he taught.
John 14:28 "the father is greater than I"
John 20:17 "to my father and to your father, to my god and to your god"
John 10:29 "the father is greater than all"
John 5:19 "the son can not do a single thing of his own"
I can go on and on.
I am an open minded person that's why. I seek truth so the trinity I studied and is no longer a possibility with me. Just as I studied the Qur'an and it is no longer a possibility for me.
anonymous9887
bible reader
I very much disagree. First of all I don't believe in the trinity. Second yes maybe most people in a religion don't even pay attention, but there are some passages in the bible that may seem like a trinity. Also depending on the bible you use, your at a disadvantage.
anonymous9887
bible reader
I also believe that's the problem with most religious groups, that they think immediately that they have the truth, and they close their minds to other possibilities.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
You're not supposed to understand it. The trinity is a bit like the zen meditations trying to figure out what sound a one-hand clap makes. The goal isn't to solve the riddle, but rather it's the catalyst for the mind to ponder deeper things.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
May be it is the group you belong to who have closed their minds to other possibilities, unless of course if you could prove that your group is open-minded.Every body will be happy if you evidence about your group in this regards. Will you, please?
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Brian Schuh
Well-Known Member
The trinity has substance and persona (person.) The Latin word persona is slightly different than person. So God has one substance, but three roles, and these roles manifest as different personas ( or persons.)
At least that is what the catechism says. It doesn't happen to be my belief.
At least that is what the catechism says. It doesn't happen to be my belief.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Well I will have to admit there are many that go with the flow in my group, as in all religions.
I have talked to 100s (with an increasing number daily)of people that really have little education on religion or no personal study at all. I always encourage people to do a thorough search and the bible encourages us to do so.
Proverbs 14:15
Acts 17:3,11
1 Thessalonians 5:21
And so many other passages.
The members of my group though know there scripture very well.
But you are a Muslim and I know most muslims also are very dedicated.
But we have plenty of valid scholarship out there.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Not to mention the ones taking the lead in the organization quite frequently quote the work of many different scholars, so that in itself is proof that they do look at other resources.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
What I have seen and observed by attending Kingdom Hall many a time, they are fixed on the Watch Tower magazine, not ready to listen anything else.
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