Ceridwen018
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You just said that we don't want evil, so how would he be forcing us?Y'all are wondering why God doesn't go against what we choose and force us to give up evil.
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You just said that we don't want evil, so how would he be forcing us?Y'all are wondering why God doesn't go against what we choose and force us to give up evil.
It's that simple, eh?If God wanted evil gone it would be, obviously as He is all good He does not want it to exist, but He does not want it to not exist either. That is the most simple explanation.
You have agreed that you think god is omnipotent. Obviously then, god knows if we will ultimately choose good or evil. There is no point for him to give us our 'whole lifetime to come back to him' because he already knows. Unless of course, there is some way to change our fate...however that would mean that god is not omnipotent.He wants us to be able to choose from Good or Evil, of course He could destroy evil and show us evil and show us good and whatever we choose in that instant would decide our fate, but He did not, He lets us choose evil, and give us a whole lifetime to come back to Him,
His presence? Or unconscious emotional gratification so that your perception of reality matches actual reality, such as our brains were made to automatically balance the two. Like sugar pills for a hypochondriac I always say...you WOULD feel something, the same thing I feel every day when I pray to Him, that thing being His prescence.
I don't care if he lifts it with his 'telekinetic powers' or his foot. That doesn't matter. Also, if his lifting abilities are not determined by weight or size, what are they determined by?God's lifting ability is not determined by weight, or size. With that in mind how could there conceivably be something too heavy for Him to lift? And He does not actually have to lift it Himself, He could merely will it to lift, and in accordance with His will it would lift itself.
It's that simple, eh?
You have agreed that you think god is omnipotent. Obviously then, god knows if we will ultimately choose good or evil. There is no point for him to give us our 'whole lifetime to come back to him' because he already knows. Unless of course, there is some way to change our fate...however that would mean that god is not omnipotent.
His presence? Or unconscious emotional gratification so that your perception of reality matches actual reality, such as our brains were made to automatically balance the two. Like sugar pills for a hypochondriac I always say...
I don't care if he lifts it with his 'telekinetic powers' or his foot. That doesn't matter. Also, if his lifting abilities are not determined by weight or size, what are they determined by?
What I meant was that it doesn't make sense. I'm missing the simplicity involved, could you explain?Yes, it is that simple.
I pretty much 'agree' with that. So I ask again--why does god put us through this life if he already knows what we're going to do? It's obviously not to give us a chance to change our ways as you claimed.Think of the universe as a page of a book, we continualy look at one word at a time, the words we have already read are still there, and the ones we haven't read yet are already there. God see the whole page, thus You have already done everything that you are going to do in this life, and you have yet to do anything. Every instant is an eternity and every eternity is an instant.
Let me ask you this then: How do you know that it is god's presence you are feeling, as opposed to what i said or the presence of something else, etc.?Yes His presence, and no not unconscious emotional gratification.
So because of this, god's power is limited because he cannot create something which does have bearning on his lifting ability?Let us think of it like this, could there be a word so long you could not read and say it, quite simply no, why? Because length has no bearing on whether or not we can read or say a word. In the same way there is nothing that has a bearing on God's lifting ability.
Ceridwen018 said:There are three basic truths which are shared by almost all religions and faiths:
- god is all powerful
- evil exists in the world
- god does not want evil to exist
Obviously, all three of these truths cannot simultaneously exist. If god were all powerful, and opposed to evil, he could simply do away with it. If he was against evil, and yet evil still existed, he would not be all powerful. Two of these statements can be true, but not all three.
All three can exist; this is where understanding comes in. God is all powerful, his name in Hebrew means power, and his name is YAHAWAH. All things were created through him and by him; INCLUDING EVIL. There has and is no evidence or recording of anyone displaying power on that level (consider his work and miracles bringing the jews out of egypt).The Lord, as the scripture says, creates light as well as darkness, and evil as well as good. IS 45:7 Evil does not exist on its own. Now the Lord is a man of righteousness, and prefers holiness, psalms 7:11, BUT HE ALLOWS EVIL ,and HE CONTROLS EVIL, TO TAKE OVER THE EARTH RIGHT NOW. Now as someone had mentioned earlier, there must be a balance, and evil must exist; but TODAY, evil is done and stands out more on a larger scale than righteousness does. Now when the righteous kingdom is built and established,after the destruction of babylon, then evil will be on a small level. The reason why God allows evil to exist on such a grand today, IS TO PUNISH THE ISREALITES FOR BREAKING THE LAW, STATUES AND COMMANDMENTS. THIS IS OUR HELL, AND EVIL MUST EXIST AND TAKE OVER IN ORDER FOR OUR AFFLICTION AND TRIBULATION. DEUT. 28:15, DEUT 32:21, IS 42:24.
WHOEVER RESPONDS TO THIS REPLY, PLEASE COME WITH THE SCRIPTURES; EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE. Your reply is non-valid when it is not coming from the bible.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear you say this. Logically, I absolutely agree!All things were created through him and by him; INCLUDING EVIL.
Don't you think that god could make things balanced without evil? Don't you think he has that power? I agree with Mr. Spinkles on this one...disagreeing with the third component.Now as someone had mentioned earlier, there must be a balance, and evil must exist;