The Trinity

[InvestigateTruth]

Being Born is only something that happens on Earth...

Yes, and Jesus was born on the earth.

If you read Hebrews 1 you will see that Angels where already present and days already existed when the Father said to Jesus, "Today I have become a Father".

Angels were created too.

As for people that believe Jesus is created, you guys have many different understanding of the same words. King David was Jesse's Firstborn son, and the Firstborn of Israel. That doesnt mean he was the First Israelite to be born...??? Jesus is the Firstborn of all things in that he is heir to it all. Not only did he Create everything that was created, he is also heir to it all in being the Firstborn. Jesus is not "First created" as you want the word "Firstborn" to mean.


John 1:3 says Nothing that was created happened apart from Jesus. This alone should be enough to show you Jesus cannot be created. However, your image of God is showing and image that is Created... You have a faulty Image. Is one of the Mirrors Broken... (I had to say it)

Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation means he is heir to all of Creation. No need to go beyond this and make him part of creation because of the lack of the Jewish term "Firstborn". Women are never called Firstborn because only males could hold the Title because its a heir ship title. (Unless there are no brothers alive)

I know why the JW believe Jesus was Created and then created all things himself. But why do you believe this? Why did God need to Create his Creator? (BTW - Jews would never believe this. That someone other that God himself created) Old testament verses that says God was alone and no one was with him nor helped him. Meaning whoever created is God.

In Love

I don't think you understood what I said. Are you familiar with 'new man' concept? Whenever God Manifests Himself through His revelation a new civilization is created. A new humanity is created, because His revelation is like putting a new cloth replacing the old cloth. Putting on a new way of life, replacing the old ways. When Moses came, through the revelation and guidance of God a new generations of human was created. Moses was 'the first' of that new generation. The first creation of the generation.
Likewise, when Jesus came, through the new Revelation of God, a new generations of men was created. Jesus was the First of that creation, hence 'the first born of creation'. The term equivalently can be applied to all Manifestations of God, such as Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah, for through the appearance of These Mirrors of God, the World of humanity has been created, and each one them is the First, and The Last of the Creation.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You are guessing, but thats not what i believe. I dont know why Jesus had to leave in order for us to receive the Spirit. But I dont think Jesus and the Spirit to be the same person either. That is why I continue to believe the Trinity. What i find interesting is that the JW believe the Holy Spirit to be part of God and you believe it to be Jesus...

In Love

I am not just guessing. How do you know Jesus is the Messiah? Can you 'demonstrate' Jesus is Messiah? Yes, all you can do is quote from a Book (NT) that you have believed to be True. Therefore if you quote from NT to demonstrate Jesus is the Messiah, are you guessing? No. Same thing for me. How do I know the Spirit of Truth is the allusion to return of Christ? Am I guessing? No. I know because Baha'i Scriptures says so, And it doesn't just say it, it establishes that by reasoning:

"Now consider carefully that from these words, “for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak,” it is clear that the Spirit of truth is embodied in a Man Who has individuality, Who has ears to hear and a tongue to speak. In the same way the name “Spirit of God” is used in relation to Christ, as you speak of a light, meaning both the light and the lamp. " Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions

"O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, “I go away, and come again unto you”? Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” And yet, behold how, when He did bring the truth, ye refused to turn your faces towards Him, and persisted in disporting yourselves with your pastimes and fancies. " Baha'u'llah

 

[InvestigateTruth]

When those 2 Prophets come, it will be almost over. But this just makes my understanding more solid. Jesus only tells us about the 2 end Prophets and none in-between. All in-between so-called prophets are False ones. Someone in this room is following a false Prophet. LDS ave a Prophet, JW have a Prophet, You have a Prophet, and Muslims have a Prophet...

I dont believe your prophet to be a True Prophet...

Those Two Witnesses already came:

"“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three-score days, clothed in sackcloth.”* These two witnesses are Muḥammad the Messenger of God, and ‘Alí, son of Abú Tálib.
In the Qur’án it is said that God addressed Muḥammad, the Messenger of God, saying: “We made You a Witness, a Herald of good news, and a Warner”—that is to say, We have established Thee as the witness, the giver of good tidings, and as One bringing the wrath of God.† The meaning of “a witness” is one by whose testimony things may be verified. The commands of these two witnesses were to be performed for twelve hundred and sixty days, each day signifying a year. Now, Muḥammad was the root, and ‘Alí the branch, like Moses and Joshua. It is said they “are clothed in sackcloth,” meaning that they, apparently, were to be clothed in old raiment, not in new raiment; in other words, in the beginning they would possess no splendor in the eyes of the people, nor would their Cause appear new; for Muḥammad’s spiritual Law corresponds to that of Christ in the Gospel, and most of His laws relating to material things correspond to those of the Pentateuch. This is the meaning of the old raiment." Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions.

 

[Jensen]

I see exactly what you are saying, but you point to a Humbled Jesus and seem to think thats Jesus always...

...always what?, you didn't complete your statement. I don't think that you do. I look to the Jesus of the bible.

What we believe is that this God who you say is all the above also became our Savior and saved us in the Person Jesus.

Also the bible says that our savior had to be like us in every way to die and save us from our sins,therefore he had to be a man. Not that only God is able to dies for our sins.

You seem to believe God created Jesus to be the Fathers Savior.

God doesn't need to be saved.

Then come up with alternate answers when God says He Alone Created, no one was with him. He alone saves, he knows of no other savior.

I don't as I do believe that God alone created.

Ask Yourself why did Jesus even participate in creating? Why Does God apply Old Testament Passages of YHWH directly to Jesus, why? There is no other reason unless Jesus too is God. Why is this so hard to understand...?

I don't think that Jesus participated in creating, that God created alone, but created with Jesus in mind, and for Jesus, as also for mankind. As I've said before, the OT passages that are applied to Jesus is because Jesus is God's representative, not because he is God. Why is that so hard to understand?

You point to passages after our Eternal Word of Life(GOD)(Read 1 John 1:1-5) had Humbled himself, yet the Father points to passages that eternalize Jesus and you point to passages of his humbleness. So what is it? Is Jesus the one spoke about in Psalms 102:25-27 or is he not?

In Love

I don't really know what you are saying here.

And no I do not think Psalms 102 is about Jesus, but is about God.

1 John 1:1-5 is about Jesus.

Jensen

 

[Jensen]

Psalms 102...

20 (19) For he has looked down from the height of his sanctuary;
from heaven Adonai surveys the earth
21 (20) to listen to the sighing of the prisoner,
to set free those who are sentenced to death,
22 (21) to proclaim the name of Adonai in Tziyon
and his praise in Yerushalayim
23 (22) when peoples and kingdoms have been gathered together
to serve Adonai.

24 (23) He has broken my strength in midcourse,
he has cut short my days.
25 (24) I plead, “God, your years last through all generations;
so don’t take me away when my life is half over!

26 (25) In the beginning, you laid the foundations of the earth;
heaven is the work of your hands.
27 (26) They will vanish, but you will remain;
like clothing, they will all grow old;
yes, you will change them like clothing,
and they will pass away.
28 (27) But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.

There is no question in my mind that this is God.

Jensen

 

[Jensen]

Yes, Jesus is Jehovah! Ask yourself who showed up and saved us? Jesus or Jehovah? (Mat 3:3 with Is 40:3)

ASV
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
(What is Jesus Called)

ASV
Isa 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and be
(Who is Jehovah of Hosts?)

ASV
Isa 44:24
Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (who is with me?)
(Didnt Jesus Create? Yes, that is why he is called Jehovah too)

Dont forget Psalms 102:25-27 with Hebrews 1:10-12. That is why the Doctrine of the Trinity exist... It was a Doctrine created because of what has always existed, but not known until seeing the OT and NT together...

In Love

I hope you do not mind if it takes up to a week for me to answer all your posts to me, as I'm busy.....:sorry1:

Jensen

 

[Jensen]

Ice,

Hosea 1:7 King James 2000 Bible
But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

As you should be able to see this is about God saying that he will save the house of Judah,likely at that time, not about Jesus dying for our sins at a later time. And not a proof text that Jesus is Jehovah.

Jensen


1 * The word of the Lord that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, ain the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of bJeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel. 2 * The beginning of the word of the Lord by Hosea. And the Lord said to Hosea, cGo, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and dchildren of whoredoms: for ethe land hath committed great whoredom, departing ffrom the Lord. 3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. 4 And the Lord said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and gI will * avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and hwill cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that iI will break the bow of Israel in kthe valley of Jezreel. 6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And lGod said unto him, Call her name * Lo-ruhamah: for m* I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; * but I will utterly take them away. 7 But nI will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and owill not save them by bow, nor by sword, onor by battle, opby horses, nor by horsemen. 8 Now when she had qweaned Lo-ruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son. 9 Then said lGod, Call his name * Lo-ammi: rfor ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10 Yet sthe number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; tand it shall come to pass, uthat * in the place where it was said unto them, rYe are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are vthe sons of wthe living God. 11 xThen shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and xappoint themselves yone head, and zthey shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of aJezreel.

 

[Jensen]

ASV
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
(What is Jesus Called)

Where is Jesus called Jehovah. He isn't.

Jer 23

1The Lord says, “The leaders of my people are sure to be judged. They were supposed to watch over my people like shepherds watch over their sheep. But they are causing my people to be destroyed and scattered. 2So the Lord God of Israel has this to say about the leaders who are ruling over his people: “You have caused my people to be dispersed and driven into exile. You have not taken care of them. So I will punish you for the evil that you have done. I, the Lord, affirm it! 3Then I myself will regather those of my people who are still alive from all the countries where I have driven them. I will bring them back to their homeland. They will greatly increase in number. 4I will install rulers over them who will care for them. Then they will no longer need to fear or be terrified. None of them will turn up missing. I, the Lord, promise it!

5“I, the Lord, promise that a new time will certainly come

when I will raise up for them a righteous branch, a descendant of David.

He will rule over them with wisdom and understanding

and will do what is just and right in the land.

6Under his rule Judah will enjoy safety

and Israel will live in security.

This is the name he will go by:

‘The Lord has provided us with justice.’

7“So I, the Lord, say: ‘A new time will certainly come. People now affirm their oaths with “I swear as surely as the Lord lives who delivered the people of Israel out of Egypt.” 8But at that time they will affirm them with “I swear as surely as the Lord lives who delivered the descendants of the former nation of Israel from the land of the north and from all the other lands where he had banished them.” At that time they will live in their own land.’”


Young's Literal Translation
Jer 23
5Lo, days are coming — an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have raised to David a righteous shoot, And a king hath reigned and acted wisely, And done judgment and righteousness in the earth.

6In his days is Judah saved, and Israel dwelleth confidently, And this his name that Jehovah proclaimeth him, ‘Our Righteousness.’

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jer 23:5-6

5Behold the days come, saith the Lord, and I will raise up to David a just branch: and a king shall reign, and shall be wise, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth.

6In those days shall Juda be saved, and Israel shall dwell confidently: and this is the name that they shall call him: the Lord our just one.


He isn't being called Jehovah in all translations, so not all agree that he is being called Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

First Off, Jesus was Born 2014 years ago, so he couldnt be the literal Firstborn of anything Born. You are forcing this word to mean something it can never mean. If it said "First Created", then you would have a case. Ask yourself why the word "First Created" wasnt used... You continue to "Not" lift Jesus up to the Highest... Would you agree i have Jesus lifted up to the Highest?

Twisting? You are the one wanting it to say "First Created" when it doesnt. Jehovah God is Called the "Beginning and End" of all Things. Using your same thinking, that would make Jehovah have a Beginning and a End when he doesnt have either...

I bet If your teachers saw Jesus being called the Beginning or the End of all things that your teachers would see him as having a beginning or an end....

Rev 3:14

 

[Jensen]

ASV
Isa 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and be
(Who is Jehovah of Hosts?)

ASV
Isa 44:24
Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (who is with me?)
(Didnt Jesus Create? Yes, that is why he is called Jehovah too)

In Love

Notice the differences in these translations (below) from the ones that word it to appear that there are two separate beings, both called Jehovah. Which translations should one take seriously? They are not saying the same thing.....you may notice if paying close attention.

Isaiah 44:6

New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

New Living Translation
This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD of Heaven's Armies: "I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This is what the LORD, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but Me.

International Standard Version
This is what the LORD says, the King of Israel and its Redeemer— the LORD of the Heavenly Armies is his name— "I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God.

NET Bible
This is what the LORD, Israel's king, says, their protector, the LORD who commands armies: "I am the first and I am the last, there is no God but me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The LORD is Israel's king and defender. He is the LORD of Armies. This is what the LORD says: I am the first and the last, and there is no God except me.

As for Isa 44:24 it is Jehovah in that verse, and I can post several verses that say that Jehovah created, that God is the creator.

The doctrine of the trinity does exist, but it is not found in the bible; especially if one were to pay close attention to Jesus' words. It is the doctrine that exist not the trinity.

 

[Jensen]

I dont disagree with you, but I wanted you to know why some wear crosses. I dont wear one, but Im thinking of asking for one next Christmas or on my next B-Day... I think it would strike up some conversations with other people that see me wearing it...

In Love

Usually, only Catholics wear a cross. Those who see it will think you're Catholic.

 

[Jensen]

Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God (The same verse you use to say hes First Created)

I use that verse to show that he is the image of God, and not God...... to discuss my view on that there is no Trinity. That is usually my intention...:flower2:

 

[Shiranui117]

Usually, only Catholics wear a cross. Those who see it will think you're Catholic.

Not so. I know many Protestants who wear crosses. It's common practice in Orthodoxy as well.

 

[Shiranui117]

Rev 3:14

Notice that Jesus doesn't say "our God". Rather, He says "My God and your God". This means that the Father is Jesus' God in a different way than He is our God.

 

[Shiranui117]

Notice the differences in these translations (below) from the ones that word it to appear that there are two separate beings, both called Jehovah. Which translations should one take seriously? They are not saying the same thing.....you may notice if paying close attention.

Isaiah 44:6

New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

New Living Translation
This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD of Heaven's Armies: "I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This is what the LORD, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but Me.

International Standard Version
This is what the LORD says, the King of Israel and its Redeemer— the LORD of the Heavenly Armies is his name— "I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God.

NET Bible
This is what the LORD, Israel's king, says, their protector, the LORD who commands armies: "I am the first and I am the last, there is no God but me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The LORD is Israel's king and defender. He is the LORD of Armies. This is what the LORD says: I am the first and the last, and there is no God except me.

As for Isa 44:24 it is Jehovah in that verse, and I can post several verses that say that Jehovah created, that God is the creator.

The doctrine of the trinity does exist, but it is not found in the bible; especially if one were to pay close attention to Jesus' words. It is the doctrine that exist not the trinity.

And we Trinitarians affirm very strongly that God is One, and apart from Him there is none. Jesus and the Father are not two separate beings, but rather two Persons in one Being, and one Being in two Persons.

 

[Shiranui117]

I am not just guessing. How do you know Jesus is the Messiah? Can you 'demonstrate' Jesus is Messiah? Yes, all you can do is quote from a Book (NT) that you have believed to be True. Therefore if you quote from NT to demonstrate Jesus is the Messiah, are you guessing? No. Same thing for me. How do I know the Spirit of Truth is the allusion to return of Christ? Am I guessing? No. I know because Baha'i Scriptures says so, And it doesn't just say it, it establishes that by reasoning:

"Now consider carefully that from these words, “for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak,” it is clear that the Spirit of truth is embodied in a Man Who has individuality, Who has ears to hear and a tongue to speak. In the same way the name “Spirit of God” is used in relation to Christ, as you speak of a light, meaning both the light and the lamp. " Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions

Does God have a physical body, such that He has ears to hear and a mouth to speak? Of course not. So neither does the Holy Spirit. This is an overly simple-minded view of the matter. Look again in the Book of Genesis, where it said that God walked through the Garden. Does God have feet with which to walk? Of course not.

"O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, “I go away, and come again unto you”? Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” And yet, behold how, when He did bring the truth, ye refused to turn your faces towards Him, and persisted in disporting yourselves with your pastimes and fancies. " Baha'u'llah

Except, Baha'u'llah completely forgot the part where Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are two separate Persons.

John 15:
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning.

 

[arcanum]

Though I don't necessarily subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity, it could be described as ocean, wave, foam. All one, yet different manifestations of the one.

 

[Shiranui117]

Though I don't necessarily subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity, it could be described as ocean, wave, foam. All one, yet different manifestations of the one.

That's not a bad analogy. I personally like sand, water and salt--three distinct things, yet all indisputably one ocean.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Does God have a physical body, such that He has ears to hear and a mouth to speak? Of course not. So neither does the Holy Spirit. This is an overly simple-minded view of the matter. Look again in the Book of Genesis, where it said that God walked through the Garden. Does God have feet with which to walk? Of course not.

God does not have a physical body. But He manifested Himself through Baha'u'llah. The Holy Soul of Baha'u'llah and other Manifestations of God is like a perfectly polished Mirror, that the image of God dwells in Them.

Except, Baha'u'llah completely forgot the part where Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are two separate Persons.

John 15:
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning.

In this verse, the Spirit of Truth is Baha'u'llah Himself (The Spirit of Christ returned). Not the individual 'Soul of Jesus' returned. But Suppose Last year there was a beautiful rose flower appeared, and left. This year another beautiful rose flower appears. We can say this is the same flower that appeared last year, not with regards to the particles, but with regards to smell, beauty and qualities and type.
Jesus already gave an example, how a Prophet returns; Elijah returned as John the Baptist....and Now Jesus returned as Baha'u'llah.

 

[Shiranui117]

God does not have a physical body. But He manifested Himself through Baha'u'llah. The Holy Soul of Baha'u'llah and other Manifestations of God is like a perfectly polished Mirror, that the image of God dwells in Them.

I've disproved this "mirror of God" stuff enough times from our Scriptures. I don't care to repeat it.

In this verse, the Spirit of Truth is Baha'u'llah Himself (The Spirit of Christ returned). Not the individual 'Soul of Jesus' returned. But Suppose Last year there was a beautiful rose flower appeared, and left. This year another beautiful rose flower appears. We can say this is the same flower that appeared last year, not with regards to the particles, but with regards to smell, beauty and qualities and type.

Yet this completely contradicts what our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ Himself said. The Spirit is not Baha'u'llah. Rather, the Holy Spirit had already come upon the Apostles--once when Christ breathed upon them and given them the authority to forgive sins, and again when the Holy Spirit firmly established the Church and began the evangelizing mission of the Apostles. The Holy Spirit is not Baha'u'llah, because the Holy Spirit had already come and never ceases to be with the Church.

From John 14:
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,[f] to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be[g] in you.

John 20:
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews,[c] Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”


Acts 1:
In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. 3 He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. 4 And while staying[a] with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 2:
When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested[a] on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This is a small smattering of the New Testament passages about the Holy Spirit. Not a single one of them can be used to defend your claims.

Jesus already gave an example, how a Prophet returns; Elijah returned as John the Baptist....and Now Jesus returned as Baha'u'llah.

Jesus does not need to come back and be born again. He had already come as true God and true Man, destroying the power of sin and death through His being killed and physically rising from the dead, reuniting our broken humanity to His divine wholeness, uniting our mortality to His Immortality, taking our destiny toward death and giving us the way to Life. Baha'u'llah has absolutely nothing that could possibly add to what Christ has done. He could never even come close to touching what Jesus Christ did for the human race. Jesus is so much more than just a mere teacher of morals. He is the Victor over sin and death, the Freer of humankind from slavery to sin and death, He is the Theanthropos, the God-Man. He is the Athanatos, the Immortal. He is the Philanthropos, the Lover of mankind. He is the Pantocrator, the Lord of all.

There is nothing any prophet has that could add on to what Christ has already done. Muhammad didn't update or fulfill Christianity. Baha'u'llah didn't update or fulfill Christianity, Islam or any other religion. Christianity needs no updating, nor is there any hint in our Scriptures that we would go astray or need a later update because God forgot something.

No. When the Lord comes, it will be to raise all those who have died physical death, and to judge the living and the dead. When the Lord comes, it will be the utter end of the world as we know it. After the Lord comes again, it will only be Heaven or Hell. It won't be some reboot or spiritual "new beginning" from some prophet. It will be the Parousia, the coming of God and the presence of God, the beginning of eternity and of the Unending Day. I don't honestly know how to explain this to someone who believes it will never happen. There will be no more second chances. No new revelation. No more prophets. The world will be OVER. Done. No one experiences physical death anymore. No one gets diseases. The Kingdom of God will manifest fully and visibly on Earth. Heaven and Hell will be permanent, no chance of getting out of Hell. No more opportunities to repent. If you're in Hell, then you chose to be in there forever. No new prophets sent from God. Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you? The coming of Christ means the utter end of the world, not a restart.

And Baha'u'llah certainly does not even come close to fulfilling any of the prophecies in Christianity. Any attempts to make it seem like he does simply reveals ignorance of our Scriptures at best, or intentional and deliberate misreadings of them at worst.