The Trinity

[sojourner]

then we agree, man makes and defines his own deitys.

No, I said that humanity creates its own understandings of Deity.

 

[sojourner]

you just contradicted yourself.

Oh? How?

 

[sojourner]

you dont seem to understand "you" and your viewpoint is a rarity and its not the same points I was debating with others

What were the points you were debating with others?

 

[outhouse]

No, I said that humanity creates its own understandings of Deity.

and in doing so creates deitys

 

[Desert Snake]

No, I said that humanity creates its own understandings of Deity.

not getting the difference here...you're saying the same thing.

 

[sojourner]

There's a difference between creating Deity and creating certain understandings of Deity -- unless you're accusing me of idolatry, which is futile, since I don't believe God is a particularity.

 

[Desert Snake]

There's a difference between creating Deity and creating certain understandings of Deity -- unless you're accusing me of idolatry, which is futile, since I don't believe God is a particularity.

O.k., so 'creating certain understandings of Deity'...and your opinions are more valid than anybody elses?

 

[outhouse]

There's a difference between creating Deity and creating certain understandings of Deity --

not really

by defining a deity you are creating one

 

[Desert Snake]

Outhouse:
Just because you don't buy into the theological authority of the church doesn't negate that authority and, thus, does nothing for your argument. As an atheist, I should think that it's your opinion that carries no weight -- not that of the church. Your opinion is OK, but it certainly carries less weight than the church that developed the understanding (which you don't get) in the first place. That would be like me telling the Hindus that reincarnation is "full of bull." It's their religion -- their understanding.

Yes, it does negate the authority.

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

It's just never been Catholic doctrine that dogma comes to us:

a. unmediated by human hands or minds

b. from scripture alone.

 

[Desert Snake]

It's just never been Catholic doctrine that dogma comes to us:

a. unmediated by human hands or minds

b. from scripture alone.

 

[Shermana]

I'd like to know at what point anyone decided that the Bishop of Rome was the official Successor of the Apostleship,

 

[Desert Snake]

I'd like to know at what point anyone decided that the Bishop of Rome was the official Successor of the Apostleship,

Yeah, I'm not even sure what he was saying...

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

I'm saying an atheist trying to prove that Scripture does not contain the Trinitarian doctrine is a waste of time for both the Catholic and the atheist (and certain catholic derivatives). We don't prove it with Scripture. It is, in any case, a matter of the assent of faith to a truth divinely revealed. We believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Church, even in its historical circumstances, in making solemn definitions of doctrine, as it did in the fourth century.

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm saying an atheist trying to prove that Scripture does not contain the Trinitarian doctrine is a waste of time for both the Catholic and the atheist (and certain catholic derivatives). We don't prove it with Scripture. It is, in any case, a matter of the assent of faith to a truth divinely revealed. We believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Church, even in its historical circumstances, in making solemn definitions of doctrine, as it did in the fourth century.

I still have no idea how that applies to the argument in this thread.

 

[Desert Snake]

I still have no idea how that applies to the argument in this thread.

btw who's a catholic derivative?

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

It applies to the crux of Outhouse's argument that the Trinity is not found in Scripture. At which point Sojourner accused him of holding to sola scriptura, where he then responded that he thinks all religious doctrines are man made anyway.

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

I'm talking about small "c" catholic traditions, like Anglicanism.

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm talking about small "c" catholic traditions, like Anglicanism.

Well, I didn't notice anglicans putting their 2 cents in, it's a long thread, and I was addressing certain aspects of the arguments.

 

[Desert Snake]

It applies to the crux of Outhouse's argument that the Trinity is not found in Scripture. At which point Sojourner accused him of holding to sola scriptura, where he then responded that he thinks all religious doctrines are man made anyway.

So...you're saying they're both wrong?...